wilting daisy

the beatles had the same producer for all their albums except let it be and they're probably the biggest example of an artist or band going thru a lot of artistic growth. tying an artist's artistic growth to whoevwr they're working with takes away all the credit the artist deserves for thwir own growth. its just another way of claiming that jack's in the drivers seat when it comes to lana's music. yes its good to be pushed out of your comfort zone as an artist (to an extent bc you still wanna make art that reflects what you want it to be) but you don't need to switch producers evwry album to do that. lana's artistic growth seems to be directly tied to what's going on in her life. so yeah chemtrails and blue banisters didn't reinvent her sound (but they also weren't rehashes of norman like people like to claim) but it was rhe pandemic and she wasn't going out getting new and exciting experiences to inspire her. but at the same time, this is lana and we all know before she was famous she already experimented with pretty much any sound you could imagine so there's not a whole lot of new ground to tread and she already went thru lots of artistic growth and reinvention before she hit it big so it makes sense that she found somewhere comfortable and keeps returning to it like its the musical
home she was looking for and finally found

tbh chemtrails is the new underrated one. and i truly believe she'll become a fan favourite just like honeymoon. then we'll have a new underrated record and the cycle will continue forever...

You're right. It's that simple. I have always trusted her and I have never been disappointed.
Just let her do her magic.

fr! i'll eat up whatever she makes honestly

i want lana del rey music  that's it, that's all

certain users when ldr10 is an album with songs and music: 
 
i will eat up whatever she puts out 

tbh chemtrails is the new underrated one. and i truly believe she'll become a fan favourite just like honeymoon. then we'll have a new underrated record and the cycle will continue forever...

As much as I swoon over the brilliant perfect amazing beautiful stunning gorgeous phenomenal groundbreaking mind-blowing wonderful incredible ashtonishing Honeymoon album...it's not underrated anymore. In fact, it stopped being underrated like few years ago. It's like in many stans' top 3 favorite LDR albums outside and inside this forum, I feel like people threw "underrated" word around as a compliment lol. Even outside the fandom it's recognized, it was critically acclaimed by the critics. And now it gets a lot of streams too (at first it didn't have as much streams as BTD or UV or NFR because it didn't have many viral "hits" or promoted singles like Love or LFL), now many of the songs from HM are getting viral too.
 
So in conclusion - Honeymoon album is not underrated anymore. Title track kinda still is underrated though...

Just bring back FIILY/VB guitars

This would seriously be my dream Lana record. Not kidding one bit.

And you’ll end up with a whole bunch of Wildfire Wildflower’s! (not that that’s a bad thing)

Like I don't really care anymore about the sound and production anymore but if I had to choose my dream sound for LDR10 it would be industrial jazz/ambient noir like these songs:
 

if lana is pushed out of her comfort zone, i hope its her pushing herself. i don't like the idea of producers pushing artists and forcing them to abandon thwir artistic vision in favour of something the producer thinks is better or edgier or more groundbreaking. i don't want some self-important guy's vision of lana's art, i want lana's vision of her own art brought to life by any producer willing to respect that vision. if she chooses to experiment and try something new on her own, i'm here for it and if she wants to generally keep to where she's comfortable and just try new things within that comfort zone, i know i'm still gonna love it. 

but see how she chose to never work with him again. but at the same time i feel like a lot of it was still lana's vision since she's made a point about putting in a lot of uncredited production work with that record. and dan's vision was definitely more in line with what lana wanted to do than the label's vision was and that risk paying off seemed to also be what gave her the freedom that allows her to do albums full of piano ballads about going to the flea market with chuck so it working out with ultraviolence is what led us to where we are now

but see how she chose to never work with him again. but at the same time i feel like a lot of it was still lana's vision since she's made a point about putting in a lot of uncredited production work with that record. and dan's vision was definitely more in line with what lana wanted to do than the label's vision was and that risk paying off seemed to also be what gave her the freedom that allows her to do albums full of piano ballads about going to the flea market with chuck so it working out with ultraviolence is what led us to where we are now

Jack is versatile, I think if Lana wants to do something different they will do something different 

Manifesting peppers breakdown surf sound
 
manifesting ear worm bridges like let the light in
 
manifesting vocals clear and Center stage like the grants
 
manifesting a new sound scape all together 

if lana is pushed out of her comfort zone, i hope its her pushing herself. i don't like the idea of producers pushing artists and forcing them to abandon thwir artistic vision in favour of something the producer thinks is better or edgier or more groundbreaking. i don't want some self-important guy's vision of lana's art, i want lana's vision of her own art brought to life by any producer willing to respect that vision. if she chooses to experiment and try something new on her own, i'm here for it and if she wants to generally keep to where she's comfortable and just try new things within that comfort zone, i know i'm still gonna love it. 

if lana is pushed out of her comfort zone, i hope its her pushing herself. i don't like the idea of producers pushing artists and forcing them to abandon thwir artistic vision in favour of something the producer thinks is better or edgier or more groundbreaking. i don't want some self-important guy's vision of lana's art, i want lana's vision of her own art brought to life by any producer willing to respect that vision. if she chooses to experiment and try something new on her own, i'm here for it and if she wants to generally keep to where she's comfortable and just try new things within that comfort zone, i know i'm still gonna love it. 

I'm not a Jack stan but he can still do good stuff like White Dress, COTCC, AW, Venice, Mariners songs. Also I love his production for Taylor and Lorde.
 
But most of the decisions are made by Lana. Jack just does what Lana says or helps to express her ideas better for lyrics and shit like that. 
 
If you wanna blame someone, blame Lana but you shouldn't because it's not getting us anywhere.

Ok anyway now I’m over this whole Jack x Lana discussion let’s talk about something fun and funky.. like a psychedelic slutty surf rock trip hop album for LDR10!!! 

the beatles had the same producer for all their albums except let it be and they're probably the biggest example of an artist or band going thru a lot of artistic growth. tying an artist's artistic growth to whoevwr they're working with takes away all the credit the artist deserves for thwir own growth. its just another way of claiming that jack's in the drivers seat when it comes to lana's music. yes its good to be pushed out of your comfort zone as an artist (to an extent bc you still wanna make art that reflects what you want it to be) but you don't need to switch producers evwry album to do that. lana's artistic growth seems to be directly tied to what's going on in her life. so yeah chemtrails and blue banisters didn't reinvent her sound (but they also weren't rehashes of norman like people like to claim) but it was rhe pandemic and she wasn't going out getting new and exciting experiences to inspire her. but at the same time, this is lana and we all know before she was famous she already experimented with pretty much any sound you could imagine so there's not a whole lot of new ground to tread and she already went thru lots of artistic growth and reinvention before she hit it big so it makes sense that she found somewhere comfortable and keeps returning to it like its the musical
home she was looking for and finally found

I think that depends on what boundaries you are considering. Sonically it may not have broken fully new ground (though I don't see that as a criticism at all, the whole thing sounds stunning) but from a storytelling perspective I would say it was very much boundary pushing and showcased her creativity in amazing ways. She centered the album around a comparison to herself to an abandoned tunnel, and then structured the album in a way that took us on a ride through said tunnel, reaching the darkest emotional peaks of her whole career with the gut punch of Kintsugi/Fingertips before bringing us to an unexpectedly strange ending on the other side. She took so many different sounds and blended them all into a very cohesive and impactful journey. No one else could have pulled off what she did on this album and it's a testament to the different ways in which an artist can be unpredictable.

I’m here for whatever because I know I’ll end up liking it regardless 

Some of you Lana fans are so demanding, and hyper critical. If one didn't have the ability to tune it out, it could cause an artist to meltdown or hit analysis paralysis trying to please everyone.