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Lana signed an open letter to President Joe Biden, thanking him for his ‘leadership’ and calling for the release of all Hamas hostages.

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The pro Israel denunciation of Hamas stance is more of a right wing conservative thing. She also seems like more of a pacifist like Joan Baez. So I can't really box Lana into any political spectrum. She def has some conservative opinions so I def don't see her as a liberal. But that's the problem with politics these days is people want to label you as red or blue. 

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6 minutes ago, Rivers said:

The pro Israel denunciation of Hamas stance is more of a right wing conservative thing. She also seems like more of a pacifist like Joan Baez. So I can't really box Lana into any political spectrum. She def has some conservative opinions so I def don't see her as a liberal. But that's the problem with politics these days is people want to label you as red or blue. 

Yep it’s either you are right or left, no in between and sometimes with such complex situations nobody should be pinned to one corner.  


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and the comment barrage on instagram is underway… I want to be wrong but y’all know how Lana loooves her clapbacks, I feel like she’s gonna respond to a comment by doubling down and saying something even worse 🤦‍♀️

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8 hours ago, barttttender said:

Palestinian group Hamas killed a number of innocent Israelis at a concert (about 250 Israelis). They did it because over the years, Israelis, who

Excuse me ? "Because" ? Are you really trying to justify the fact that a terrorist group (=Hamas, officially labeled as that for tens of countries) killed more than 1400 people + is still holding people (including children) captive in horrible conditions today ? Justifying terrorists actions is CRAZY, I'm genuinely horrified when reading some of the posts on this thread. Am I the only one ? Just wondering :rip:. Supporting (or justifying) Hamas actions here in my country (France) is called "apologia for terrorism", and it's illegal. Don't know how it works in the US tho.

I also find it very weird for "fans" to keep saying that Lana is dumb, uneducated, that she doesn't know what she is talking about etc., every time she's saying something that YOU don't agree with. Maybe she's a grown, educated woman, who CHOSE to sign that letter because she wanted to. And maybe she wanted to sign it because she saw what Hamas did and wanted to stand by the thousands of bereaved families, just like Biden and almost all the democratic countries in the world did.

Palestinian people dying everyday is of course revolting. But let's not forget that Hamas is responsible for that too in many cases, by holding palestinians captive when they know Israel is going to bomb a specific spot for example. So they can, after that, say that Israel deliberately killed innocent people. So Israel is saw as the main villain and people forget that they're fighting against terrorism before all, that's what they want. Hamas is also calling for terrorist attacks everywhere in western countries so yes, they're the ennemies of everyone and some of you should be aware of that. Don't get me wrong, Israel's policies are far from perfect, but all they're trying to do right now is eradicate a terrorist movement that is dangerous for the whole world. They're defending themselves as they can and as every country in the whole world would have been defending its population after such an atrocious attack. They're also the only Jewish country, and they're only surrounded by countries that want them to disappear from the world map. I truly believe they try every time not to bomb innoccent people. In comparison, Hamas didn't care about killing innocent people, they did it on purpose. If Israel is supported by a majority of democratic countries, by your favorite artist and surprisingly not by your favorite IG page that is totally biased, or by "woke" people on X, maybe there's a reason for that. Everything's not a conspiracy.

So yeah, let Lana do her thing, have opinions, and unstan her if you want to. Some users on this thread tend to say very often "you don't know what you are talking about" but I don't think they know who they defend either. They're probably women, or gay men, that would be killed within a MINUTE in front of people that are part of Hamas.

I won't elaborate on the conflict even tho I think I'm pretty much aware of what's going on, but let's say that yes, everything's not all black or white. And there's a lot of disinformation going on on social media regarding Israel. Hamas is a very tactical and organized group that knows how to communicate, keep that in mind and try to inform yourself through independant media if you care.

Anyway, total support towards Lana and goddamn ... please stop trying to force on others your way of thinking, or your "facts" that are sometimes just fake news. I was so scared for my own family who lives there these days, and I'm happy to know that Lana is calling for the release of the hostages and that she's condemning what Hamas did. Tbh, shouldn't we ... all ? :facepalm:


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“I believe music is universal and should be used to bring us together … Performing in Tel Aviv is not a political statement or a commitment to the politics there, just like singing here in California doesn’t mean my views are in alignment w[ith] my current government’s opinions or sometimes inhuman actions." - LDR

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4 minutes ago, pinkelliot said:

Excuse me ? "Because" ? Are you really trying to justify the fact that a terrorist group (=Hamas, officially labeled as that for tens of countries) killed more than 1400 people + is still holding people (including children) captive in horrible conditions today ? Justifying terrorist actions is :facepalm:

 

Israel is holding 5,000 hostages (prisoners of war). Stole 50,000 acres of land by gunpoint weeks before Hamas invaded. Israel sniped children in the face that throw rocks and uses them for child labor in their stolen settlements. They are also trying to starve them to death. They also color code them, which has only been done in apartheid south Africa and Nazi Germany.  They just have to get their land back and peace will return. 

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Okay, ignore what I just said(I deleted it) but I'm going to re-phrase it. I don't know all of the context of this, and I haven't read the document/open letter either. So, I don't know if I think Lana is in the wrong or all of that stuff. All I know is she is usually ignorant in these types of situations, so we'll see....

 


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33 minutes ago, Edelgard said:

The worst thing is, I saw on TikTok that people thought she was Pro Palestine because she refused to tour in Israel a while back. And now people will not be able to say that she is Pro Palestine anymore, because this is obviously blatantly pro Zionist bs.

I'm not surprised because she genuinely isn't smart at all when it comes to political issues as of late and probably doesn't read about the issue and thinks Democratic = the right side of history so I'll just sign it. She should know better though, she's highly educated.

 

maybe try not to be too obsessed with labeling and binary opposition concept when things aren't just black and white....

 

like how did you go from "pro palestine" to "zionist" all of a sudden, simply because it missed to explicitly emphasize one talking point that somehow doesnt perfectly fit the echo chamber narrative of what is considered "perfectly correct stance" by a social media platform that is ironically one of the most popular information war platforms full of edited and out of context types of short form videos?:deadbanana:

 


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31 minutes ago, plastiscguy said:

You'd be surprised by how gullible some people are. But even if they aren't influenced by one person's opinion, a lot of famous people with big platforms are preaching the whole pro-Israel thing. And if so many people share the same point of view... people can be deceived :smh:


I’d argue that’s on the individual, who takes cues on political matters from celebrities, instead of being well read. The blame, in my opinion, is not with the platform-holders but with their followers. 


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10 minutes ago, baddisease said:

Joe Biden leads? That's a new one.

 

I'm disappointed in Lana.

Shut up, you were justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine where a lot more civilians died. "Disappointed" my ass. :toofunny:

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2 minutes ago, Evergreen said:

Shut up, you were justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine where a lot more civilians died. "Disappointed" my ass. :toofunny:


Imagine getting gagged this hard on a Lanaboards thread about Israel-Palestine :hillary:


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ngl im not really phased by this. i really don’t care about lana’s opinion or any other celebrities’ opinions. im not gonna get worked up over this when i know what i stand for (palestine) and nothing’s gonna change that. if you’re being influenced by celebrities’ opinions or you just want to feel that sense of validation from your fav artist, then idk.. :uh:. you can ofc feel disappointed but im seeing comments in here that are like “I’m done listening to Lana. Goodbye LB” and i’m like… okay. lately i’ve been trying to stray away from twitter and the political scene in there because it’s so easy to be influenced and misinformed. idk that’s just my opinion

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8 minutes ago, Evergreen said:

Shut up, you were justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine where a lot more civilians died. "Disappointed" my ass. :toofunny:

What about eastern ukranians who side with Russia and want their independence? 

Zelensky has refused to agree to negotiations that were already pretty much settled which compelled Russia to invade. Violating international agreements is a soft declaration of war. 

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If someone really wants to talk about Israel or Palestine or the war, can someone make a topic about it in the world news thread with non-propaganda info in the op. the conversation seems to be going non-Lana.


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8 minutes ago, Rivers said:

What about eastern ukranians who side with Russia and want their independence? 

Zelensky has refused to agree to negotiations that were already pretty much settled which compelled Russia to invade. Violating international agreements is a soft declaration of war. 

man, i’m from Ukraine and you don’t know what you’re saying.

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I personally don’t think celebrities should speak on world/political events unless they are educated on the subject. Too many celebrities now are pressured into speaking out on every issue that they know nothing about and end up creating more unnecessary harm. People should not be getting their news info from celebrities.

 

i also think most Americans who aren’t familiar with the subject are being influenced by a lot of propaganda. Ever since I can remember growing up, the US has instilled in our minds that terrorists & Middle East=bad and are “jealous” of our freedom which is crazy looking back now. 

 

From what I can remember, no teacher (until college) ever divulged into what actually has/is happening in the Middle East let alone Palestine. Even in history classes in high school I remember learning up until 9/11 and then we just skipped the whole middle eastern conflicts which is pretty wild. Talking about anything in the Middle East was something that was almost seen as taboo. College was the first time I ever learned about the horrific history Palestinians have endured, and I think it’s sad. 

This plus all the pro-israel propaganda has really confirmed this for me. I’ve seen so many pro-Israel commercials the past couple weeks now. it’s kinda scary honestly knowing in reality, most people in America (hopefully less now) only know surface level info on the Middle East. So then people just assume “well terrorists are bad we don’t want that” with no context on the history and then assume Israel is doing a good thing. That being said, it’s not an excuse to be ignorant about the subject. I personally have always been confused on the topic (as are many Americans unfortunately) but try my best to make sense and educate myself. 


Little disappointing to see lana sign this but at the same time, I’m not that surprised. I don’t think she deserves to be cancelled or get hate for this. I hope she takes some time to educate herself more 


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