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1. Goodness gracious! How dare I use profanity to emphasize how trivial I find someone's desire to attend a concert to standing up for human rights! What a travesty! #CertainTravesties
2. Members of oppressor classes, particularly when they are propagandized by their government and state-friendly media, are often the last to come to terms with the reality and extent of that oppression. And if you're suggesting that my position on this issue is informed only by histrionic social media posts, that's funny. You forget I'm old and have followed this issue since long before social media existed and despite a historically strong pro-Israel bias in US media.
3. Forcing my opinion? How? I mean, I have every right to express my opinion as much as anybody else here. You say this as if I've somehow abused my mod powers to silence or punish differing views about this. I haven't. If anything, quite the opposite. Members have reported offensive posts in this thread that I think objectively warrant discipline, but I've recused myself and left them for other mods to decide. I will note it is funny how often on this forum accusations of "forcing" or "imposing" an opinion generally correlate with an inability to articulate much of a rebuttal.
 
 
This is honestly hilarious. Your quotes in their original context look way worse and make you look like that much more of an asshole. If anything I did you a favor.
 
Sigh, if I must.
 
It's a strawman, on multiple levels, but here's one: Its implicit premise is that in the quote of mine it responds to I say people have to stop saying certain ideas. I don't. I merely politely asked people keep the plight of Palestinian victims in mind as they post. I literally say please.
 
Let's see. What post of theirs did I quote and how did I respond to merit being called a "condescending asshole"? Oh. I merely mirrored their own words back to them.
 

I find it funny how I'm being asked to educate others about the situation when I've referenced more relevant facts about the situation than most if not all the people commenting in this thread even though that hasn't been the focus of my posts and it's not my job to educate people.
 
Again, this is an argument against performing other places, not an argument for performing in Israel. I wouldn't perform in Erdogan's Turkey either. But Turkey isn't an apartheid state denying basic human rights on the scale of Israel to half the population and I'm not aware of any mass popular movement on the scale of BDS there asking people to boycott, but if there is I'd honestly like to know.

I wrote a long response to Lana's first shitty explanation on Twitter a couple days ago which I'll post when I get around to screenshotting it, but for now I'll content myself with responding to some of the many bad takes here:
 

Yeah, call me when Palestinians in the occupied territories can vote for representation in the Knesset.  

Member of oppressor class in apartheid state asks that we "just put politics away" (i.e. turn a blind eye to the denial of basic human rights to others by that oppressor class) for just one second so they or other members of that oppressor class can attend a fucking pop concert.  

It's not about it being "war torn" or "dangerous". It's about occupation, the systemic oppression of Palestinians under an apartheid system, and the disproportionate use of force employed against resistance to that. 
I have zero respect for anyone who prioritizes their fandom for an artist over supporting human rights.
 
I sympathize with Israeli fans who want to see Lana. I really do. But this is bigger than you or your desire to see one of your favorite artists.
 

When people here forget Lana actually has fans in Palestine and the Palestinian diaspora.  

JFC. Aside from being insanely hypocritical and moving the goalpoasts, this is fucking vile.  

This might be an argument against performing in Turkey and/or Russia. It's not a good argument for performing in Israel. It's also an argument against nuance and the ability to make distinctions between somewhat repressive regimes and apartheid states.  

It's one thing to argue why it doesn't personally bother you. It's another thing to dismiss the concerns of others, some of whom are directly affected.  

I mean, if artists want to boycott the US for these reasons as a political statement more power to them. But the apartheid nature of the state of Israel uniquely warrants it. There is historical precedent for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions having an impact. And the people being oppressed are calling for it.  

Israelis are responsible for what their government does in their name and boycotts, divestment, and sanctions can be an effective way to put pressure on a populace to demand change from their leaders. But give me a break. Not being able to go to a Lana show is like the mildest form of collateral damage you can imagine.

Cute false equivalency

I can't wait for her Lust For Syria, Chechnyaviolence and Iraq To The Moon shows! And after all that promo, I'm sure she'll finally get her first #1 album in Saudi Arabia. Hard working queen! 

Well, that’s what Israel is good at. Bombing things

Another album?? That h*e is crazy ??

Another album?? That h*e is crazy ??

Affirmative! The opening strings could have commenced the album in such a magnificent way. Love, on the other side, is confusing as an opening track ?

13 Beaches hits so hard sometimes

What is compromising? Compromise for what? Compromising for what reason? A man comes into my life and I have to compromise? For what? For what? A relationship is a relationship that has to be earned!
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I think there is nothing more beautiful in the world than falling in love. But falling in love for the right reasons, falling in love for the right purpose
 
 
 
Didn't Lana tweet this interview before? 

Welche Zeitung? 

Well, for that case they actually should have used chemtrails ?

im so jealous, imagine living in LA, a dream 

i'll be here waiting 

You can tell daddy is so proud 
 

“Could I come down to the ranch, baby?“ - that longing in her voice ???

“Could I come down to the ranch, baby?“ - that longing in her voice ???

Looks like The Guardian wants to be canceled ??‍♂️??‍♂️

Komisch, da sie gerade hier so hochgepriesen wurde. Mal abwarten, was noch so kommt ?

Komisch, da sie gerade hier so hochgepriesen wurde. Mal abwarten, was noch so kommt ?

Gosh just finished my first listen. 
 
White Dress was so unexpected in full as opposed to the snippet. So free form and improvisational.
 
My reaction by Wild at Heart was that this is the best she has ever sounded. The vocal production, it sounds so grand and the closest she has come to Born to Die since.
 
Dark but just a game was such a surprise, something totally different for her, such a cool twisted song that kind of unwinds and you don’t know where it’s taking you. It kind of reminds me of Windmills Of Your Mind. Such a strong track ? I feel like she could build a whole new sound of this track and it would become her best album.  
 
Dance til we die had me thinking hmm this is nice but nothing much to hold my attention—then that breakdown kicked in like FUCK ⚰️ I literally started laughing this is her best song ever. That came out of left field and knocked me out. This makes me so excited for her future. 
 
The imagery of a Midwestern town really fits this album perfectly. Quaint, unpretentious and charming.
 
I was seriously scared this album would be inconsequential from some of the comments I’ve seen but I see so much promise here. I think it’s easier than ever to see where she’ll go next and it sounds incredibly promising. More free form, intuitive and playful. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.derstandard.de/story/2000125178393/neues-album-von-lana-del-rey-elf-schlaflieder%3famplified=True
 
Alleine schon der Titel..tasteless 

Looks like The Guardian wants to be canceled ??‍♂️??‍♂️

Welche Zeitung? 

Yes and it's annoying