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Speaking of overrated: Damn You.

I wouldn't want to be disrespectful.

Y'all won't sully my thread like this. 
Rihanna is Rihanna. She needs no comparison - unless we're talking about breaking records with number one singles 

Stop! You are not about to go "Rihanna is queen of pop!" because both her and Madonna were ABUSED jfc

Oh. I only dream about being attacked by snakes. 

Tracklist is out: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/crush-songs/id897474203
Ooo Rapt Visits Beast Comes the Night NYC Baby Other Side So Far Day Go By Body King Indian Summer Sunset Sun Native Korean Rock Singalong Which includes ALL previously heard Native Korean Rock songs, plus 6 new ones...The only ones I know really well are Day Go By, Rapt, and Beast, though, so I'm deleting the rest until it comes out.

THIS NEW VERSION OF CRAZY IN LOVE SOUNDS SOS OSOSOS GOOD
 

tl;dr: @@FormerLanaFan to Lana: I'm a drag and you're a whore.
 
Ok, so your issue with her is that she doesn't live up to your (a man's) fantasy image of her and your expectations of her sexual behavior as a woman? Do you not see how problematic this is?
 
Would we have though? I've been in the Lana sleuthing game for almost 3 years now and have developed something of a reputation for it and I still find myself surprised at new information and how it reshapes my understanding of her. Also, there's a possibility the label head claim may not be as interesting as it sounds. Everybody and their brother has a label these days. Ben even had one.
 
I dunno. You seem to be the only one reacting strongly about this. (Not that I haven't been about the only person objecting to something on here before. ) Also, when she said "I have slept with a lot of guys in the industry" she may simply have meant that a lot of the guys she fucked were in the industry, not that she's fucked a lot of guys in absolute terms. Even if she was, comparing someone who has "slept with a lot of guys" with a porn star is not a fair comparison, but FWIW that Duke porn star seems pretty content with her decision. Also FWIW, there's a fair amount of transactional sex suggested in Lana's lyrics. How is this only bothering you now? And WTF do private sexual acts have to do with being a good person, being involved in your community, or your relationship with your father, mother, and siblings?
 
No, it's not the Beatles era, though your attitudes about women and sex seem imported straight from it. I can't help but laugh at the irony and lack of self-awareness in your reference to Othello, a man so obsessed with a woman's believed promiscuity that (spoiler alert) it drives him to murder, and ultimately suicide.
 
Um, what is this all about? Are we still talking about Lana?
 
So far you're the only one portraying her like the biggest whore in the music industry. Personally I think T-Swift might privately high-five Lana and tell her to write kiss and tell songs about everybdy she fucked. And then she'd probably fuck Lana and write a song about it.

You think I give a damn about a Grammy?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here?
So you can sit me here next to Britney Spears?
Shit, Christina Aguilera Lana Del Rey better switch me chairs
So I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst James Franco and Dan Auerbach
And hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first first sucked cock
 
Just maybe.
 
What does one have to do with the other? Besides, for all we know, Pat might high-five her or be jealous.

My momma, she would love you like I love you
If she ever met you, if she ever knew
My momma, she would fall right on top of you
If she ever saw you, she’d be smitten too

I’ll never take you home
I want you all for my own
Don’t let my momma hear your pretty song
 
Right, the couple bucks you spent on her artistry entitles you to dictate her sex life. Really, her comment is "undefendable"? I see plenty of people doing just that.
 

"It was called methamphetamines at first" 

It's LDR fans who know her well enough to not be surprised by her attitude and these type of responses in this interview, but does the GP? Probably not. I bet you a lot of folks who pick up RS faithfully are going to read this article and add it onto the long list of reasons why LDR is [insert negative blah blah ]… if LDR's drama queen responses were somehow justified due to the interviewer being nosey, rude, etc, then this would be a different story but they weren't.
 
I like how Lana's individuality was compared to punk rock. She clearly represents the current counter culture. But with that said, sometimes an artist, a mainstream one too, has to look passed their qualms or quirks and just answer a question. She takes so much of what is asked of her as a personal attack.
 
I often wonder if these interviews are forced on her by management for promotional reasons. She said she gave in with The Guardian. Who's to say the same didn't happen here. If that's the case, she probably went in there expecting the worst from the interviewer. And that's my biggest problem with her. She's grown a custom to the backlash and hate to the point where she seems to expect it from people. That's a shitty way of thinking. I guess at the end of the day these things serve their purpose- they get people to talk about her.
 
Sometimes I think it would be better that she hid herself from the media spotlight, like Fiona Apple or Sia. She's working against herself IMO. It looks like its a burden for her.
 
Just my onion.

This is really insightful, though I disagree with some of it. Perhaps her responses are sensationalized sometimes as the media is wont to do sometimes with everything, but I don't think it's necessary with Lana. Her responses read dramatically because she's being dramatic. 
But I think you've really hit on something here that I've expressed better in other interview threads. People defending Lana and blaming her interviewers talk about them provoking her with their questions. But their questions are naturally provoked by Lana, her music, her statements, and the controversies they've provoked. I think one side is mostly innocent here, at least in this post-SNL backlash era. It is Lana who initiates the cycle of provocation.
 
LOL. Wow. Seriously? Has this discussion really devolved into psychoanalyzing each other's motives? I think the usefulness of arbitrary personality type designations like Myers-Briggs is vastly overstated, but if I'm going to be psychoanalyzed by my personality type, allow me. I think I can do a much better job. (There's nothing anyone could ever tell me that I don't already know. I know everything about myself. I know why I do what I do. ) 
From the portrait of an INTP:
This is a gross oversimplification of how these traits lead me to my position, but here goes:The interviewer is asking questions that are logical and reasonable. Because they are logical and reasonable, they deserve the courtesy of a reasonable, polite response. However, she is responding emotionally (illogically and unreasonably). Ergo, if anyone is at fault here it is Lana.
 
I dunno. I don't think I buy this. Your "withholding judgment" seems pretty selective to me. Have you really expressed your opinion in over a thousand posts here without making judgments? You wasted no time passing judgment on me as judgmental in this very same post. Also, not necessarily in your case, but sometimes this "withholding judgment" of Lana seems to imply passing judgment on others, like her interviewers, or as you admit yourself, giving Lana a pass indefinitely. 
And if there's a source of bias in my assessment of LDR's choices, it's from my strong belief in the principle of taking the plank out of your own eye before pointing out the speck in another's, holding yourself to a higher standard than others. This may seem paradoxical since I seem to be pointing out the specks in Lana's eyes. But I extend this principle to group dynamics. To the extent that I identify with Lana as a fan, I hold her accountable for her actions to the extent she is responsible before others. Much as I've held this forum accountable for it's interactions with others outside the forum more than those others, or as I criticize my own country for its faults before finding fault with others. 
I'm perfectly fine with this point of view. I just disagree with people always absolving Lana of any responsibility and blaming the interviewers. Or denying that she's exhibiting a pattern of behavior here independent of who's interviewing her.

If she would shop for a good psychologist instead of a world-renowned clairvoyant, she might find a good one who won't tell her things she already know about herself, but practical everyday life tips, like how not to give a fuck about what other people think because you cannot control what they think and how they perceive things, how to communicate her discomfort, how to assert herself and set her limits regarding what she's comfortable to talk about. In short, how to get out of an uncomfortable situation like a lady.
 
 
 
 
To know if the interviewer was mean spirited when asking those personal questions, we can't really tell. We don't have all the conversation and mostly, we can't hear the voice tone and see his eyes. When you get into personal stuff, you have to be extremely tactful, diplomatic, human. Being able to make people at ease and making them open up is a gift.

New album "Ouroboros" coming soon, tbh.

Funny. The Fiona lyric, "You fondle my trigger, then you blame my gun," feels relevant here. But it's a two-way street, for sure: Lana provokes the media by saying strange/unsettling things in interviews and in music then refuses to account for them; the media provokes Lana by asking her difficult and triggering questions, and then sensationalizes her dramatic and/or uncooperative response. Neither side is innocent at all.
 
I've said before that Lana's willful solipsism is what really rubs people (in the media and in general) wrong. In an age of interconnectivity and transparency, with an emphasis on social cooperation, Lana basically says 'fuck that.' In this interview she admits she's very selfish, says no therapist could possibly know her better than herself, says she doesn't need money, is glib about smoking, etc. Basically, she comes off like an obstinate 17-year-old. Some part of her refuses to grow up. I love this about her in many ways, but it will continue to work against her as she ages and people expect more candor and less defensive posturing from her. I hate to say it, but her extreme 'selfishness as a virtue' stance reminds me a bit of Ayn Rand at times (who is adored by angsty teenagers who cannot see a world beyond their own.) There's an interesting thing here about Mammalian vs Reptilian thinkers/creators. It's about the workplace, but it's applicable to anything. I think Lana, right now, is Reptilian.
 
'While mammals need others from the day they’re born, reptiles are adapted to living on their own. So, as they grow--whether we’re talking about the culture of crocodiles or a corporation--they have lives that are "individually oriented and socially isolated," they live in a world, Porges says, "defined by risk and not sharing or benevolence or creativity," and so the defining features of a reptilian workplace are embedded in defense and fear.'

OK, then explain to me how my characterizations of what you said are inaccurate. 

Really? Where do you think this view of her came from? Am I just imagining her Twitter tantrum over the Guardian interview or the numerous other frosty interviews and interviews she's cut short over the years? 

No, I'm not sympathetic to the fact that she can't seem to handle being asked expected interview questions or have the grace to just politely say "no comment". If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. 

Sorry, but this is just excuse-making for shitty behavior. There's also a complete double standard being applied here to Lana and her interviewers. 

And he/she has the right to print how it went down. 
 
My main objection here is I don't think most of you defending her behavior are being objective. If this was an artist you disliked or had never heard of acting this way I don't think most of you would respond the same way. Except perhaps those of you who celebrate any and all confrontational drama even when unjustified because it's "sticking up yourself", a trend in our culture I find really disturbing. Or perhaps those like @@PrettyBaby who think those mean ol' journalists should have to dumb down their interviews to the level of their subject's emotional intelligence no matter how low it is.
 
On another note that pic in the Rob-style Hawaiian shirt is so fucking hot.

In other words you think she should be treated with kid gloves and get special treatment because she complains about it or whatever reason. 
So you want them to falsely portray her? If you ask me, the solution is for her to either learn to become comfortable with the media or stop giving interviews. Or at least stop taking it out on the interviewers. 
Seems to me a pretty low bar.

I can relate to this sooo much.

CONTINUED
 

Someone's been reading Lanalysis.   Actually, between this and the age thing and the FMWUTTT/Lorde thing I think this guy's been reading a fair amount on LanaBoards.  

This is really interesting. It explains why her high school yearbook photo said she was college bound for SUNY Geneseo even though she ended up at Fordham and the apparent gap between high school and her starting college. But it makes when she might have lived in Alabama all the more mysterious. 

Ha! Me and my momma we don't get along, indeed. Though I can just see her being the kind of waitress that tries to make up for shitty service by flirting with her male patrons. 

She still remembers these lovely early songs.   

Say hi to your Bond girl sister Pussy for me, will you? 

Ha, look at get all defensive about his cardinal error as her manager. 

I guess you guys weren't the only ones that noticed this.  

I'll be posting more about this soon. 
This is too long to type up. Read from the paragraph beginning "Then, really without warning" to the end:

   
"Maybe I'm sensitive. Do you think?"
"You're asking all the right questions. I just really don't want to answer them."
"I'm just uncomfortable, and it has nothing to do with you."
 
I think these quotes really highlight what's going on here. Interviewers ask her perfectly reasonable questions to ask, nevertheless she still feels uncomfortable being asked them. What I don't understand, given that so many of her interviews have turned out this way, why she still does them or why she doesn't just say "No comment" or "I'd rather not answer that" and move on rather than throwing a hissy fit at interviewers who are just doing their job.
 

Why should it be out of bounds to ask about something she has consistently volunteered detailed information about unprompted in multiple interviews and may be referenced in several of her songs?

This is bound to be a controversial opinion, but I think this is a fantastically well-done profile, perhaps one of the best. I don't believe it's the job of a journalist, even in the fluffy realm of music journalism, to humor the people they cover. The job of a journalist is to portray their subjects accurately and in-depth. This article accomplished that in spades. It goes into great depth about her history and provides new details about unanswered questions, it demonstrates the author did his homework, confirms the recent NYT profile's angle that she's been misunderstood and the backlash was premised on bullshit, but pulls the curtain back on what it's like to interview Lana Del Rey and her mercurial nature.
 
That said, the one quibble I have is that I felt they removed all context from her comment about not wanting people to hear and think about her music when promoting this profile online.
 
Some specific thoughts:
 

Like lemonade.  
What'll really make me happy is if those fuckers on Wikipedia will change it permanently now without me having to make a case for it on BLPN.
 

I can't say I am anywhere near as familiar with other pop stars to say if this is true, but it's nice to see even music journalists that aren't as fawning as the NYT's John Pareles say this. I also like that this article describes her name change as merely "showbiz-as-usual" and said this:
 

Get it girl   

 

Let's see. She started breaking up with Barrie "starting in December or so", right around the same time she previously said she stopped having writer's block and her concept for the album started to come together and she began recording stuff for it at Electric Lady Studios. And then there are those lyrics. Hmm...  

Give us the demos Dan!  

Fucking labels, man.  

The irony of this has always struck me. Her parents moved away from the city to the countryside because they had Lizzy who of course was powerfully drawn to the city when she grew up. 
TO BE CONTINUED... Fucking quote limits.

I can't believe Lana's lying in bed, touching her pussy on the cover of a magazine. I've completely lost my respect for her.

I'M SO UPSET THAT THE PUNK ALBUM WAS SCRAPPED DONT FUCKING LOOK AT ME
 
I PREDICTED THIS THE SECOND I FUCKING HEARD FANCY

SAW HER LIVE.
WAITED FOR HER SINCE 13. THE CONCERT WAS GOING TO BE AT 20.
Some people went to wait for her the day before at the airport and the ones who brought her to play say they scared her, or something of the sort. And they did all they could so we wouldn't be able to meet her.
But I squeezed in somehow to have Cole sign my DIIV Oshin copy, and Sky to sign my NTMT after the sound test. Althought they brought her at the end of it. The whole band play the sound test without her because of that and they rushed her in so she could play at least one song.
I gave her a letter behind a print of when I talked to her in 2009 via facebook.
So, the club opened the doors at 20:20, Manta Raya opened for her, a local electro rock band (they are cool, I guess), and I took a photo with Sir Johnny.
I spent the whole concert FIXED to the fence.
During the whole concert she looked at me, gave me her hand, then she received a flag we gave her with some of our names (her biggest fans here). She took all sorts of gifts during the concert. Bracelets, flags, letters, even PANTIES. She laughed it out. Along with Johnny.
Cole played with Manta Raya and said he'd be back (since he cancelled a concert last year).
At one part of the concert she took my camara off my hand and took TWO photos onstage
 

 
Then, in Love In Stereo I screamed "SKY, I WANT TO SING WITH YOU" and she handed me the mic and I sang a little part.
And then, she asked us what songs we wanted her to play and we SCREAMED Sad Dream and Werewolf. After I saw the setlist and saw they weren't included.... I couldn't believe it. <3
 
After that, I stayed near her little band's dressing room and the producer let me come in because she called for me. I thanked her so much, showed her I had the setlist and bought a serigraphy a guy made of her and was selling in the club. She looked kind of frail... I was kind of afraid. I felt she was sort of ill...
 
But anyways, here's one of the two photos I could take with her

 
 
They were REALLY rushing me. She didn't look SO good... So I couldn't really talk to her. I asked her earlier for the part 2 b-sides and she like nodded that they would "sometime" come out...
 
I STILL can't believe it.

This was an interview VG did with Lana around the time she performed in Bergen, so it's from yesterday I believe. 
 
Lana has captured the world with her music, but she points out that not everything in her life is picture perfect. 
 
After her performance in Bergen she received the high score 5 from VG, and the singer told us that she highly values Norwegian fans.
 
"I value being here more than ever now. When I see how the audience sings along, it makes me feel like they accept me for who I am. I feel like they understand me." 
When asked why there are still sad girls and bad men in her songs, Lana laughs, and answers: "I am still a sad girl, I still date bad men." 
 
On the "I wish I was dead" hysteria
 
But feeling understood is not always the case for the artist outside of the stage area. In an interview with the guardian published this week, the singer voiced a death wish, which got quoted by media all over the world, including VG.
 
But to VG Lana says that the whole situation was blown out of proportions. 
 
"I did not actually say that I thought an early death was a glamorous way to go. I just said that like many other people I admire and take inspiration from those who have passed at an early age," referring to her heroes, Jimi Hendrix and Amy Winehouse, who both died young. (Did he mix up Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison when he googled 27 club...?)
 
The artist admits to having said that she sometimes wishes she was dead, but that it was taken the wrong way. 
 
"Like many people who go through a lot I sometimes wish for my life to end. Sometimes feel like that, and sometimes I don't."
 
Lana Del Rey elaborates that every day is different, and that she is not an unhappy person.
"Sometimes I just feel like it becomes too much."
 
Talking about Ultraviolence
 
"To me this album is more relaxed, free and sexy. I didn't feel the need to document as much of my life story as I did in Born to Die. This album goes deeper into important moments from my life." Lana Del Rey adds that the album is like her own little personal jewel. 
 
The artist struggle when she's trying to explain why so many young girls love her music. 
 
"I guess they to a certain degree can relate to what I say or how I say things."
 
Interviewer: "But one of your songs from the new album is called "Fucked My Way to the Top". What do you want to convey to those who listen to this song?"
 
"I don't censor myself," she says, and adds that all of the songs on the album means something to her and often tells a tale about things she's been trough. 
 
She admits that sharing her deep and personal songs from the stage has been nerve wracking. But Del Rey says it has become easier with time. Now she sees that the audience is happy to be at her concerts. And that is why she sees the importance in taking "selfies" with her fans during concerts, giving out hugs and pecks on the cheek. 
 
"It's a part of the experience. For them I am the show, but to me they are the show. So I take part in it."