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Maybe that's a problem? Also, really? It's not central, but it's not like her catalog is absent of lyrics suggestive of race or ethnicity. And you could write a whole dissertation or longform thinkpiece on race in her music video catalog. (Has anyone? I'd be fascinated to read one.) This comes uncomfortably close to sounding like "I don't know enough POC to have any songs about them." Again, that's the problem. Also, LOL at trying to have it both ways, decreeing Kanye West's MAGA-hat-wearing ways "a loss for the culture" (I don't disagree) while simultaneously trying to distance herself from "the culture" and sidestep cultural critiques when it suits her. Speaking of her tweets about Kanye, I'm reminded she specifically mentioned his "narcissism". Lana, whether it's about Kanye or Azealia or not, OF COURSE people are going to think a line like "black narcissist" might be a reference to them after you publicly feuded with them using similar language. Even if wrong, it's a reasonable inference. Poor form to chastise your fans and others for making it. C'mon, Lana, if Azealia dropped a track using a label she'd called you on Twitter and even threw "white" in front of it you know you'd think it was about you. Lana, use a publicist for any statements on sensitive subjects.

I feel like this is a real step forward in the maturity of her lyricism.

Yup. The timelines alleged by herself and others, even accounting for some rounding up, don't add up without some overlap or counting "off" time in on again off again relationships.

I really like political songs that are really subtle about it, like these ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9ja3i9u2Og

I'm more of an IPA or stout kinda guy, but cheers anyway.

[iNSERT OBLIGATORY PEDANTIC COMMENT THAT THE TERM "DEMO" IS USED INCORRECTLY HERE AND PROBABLY NOT EVEN IN A CONSISTENT WAY] Take it away @Monicker... :monicker:

livestream im sweet 4 u

"I got a kid and two cats in the yard" Oldsters (like me) are now Lana's target demographic.

Tim Cook: "The Apple Music team is proud to have worked with her from the earliest days of her career." Too lazy to screenshot it right now, but this is what Tim Cook was referring to: https://twitter.com/DavidNichtern/status/7313988887 Though this Rolling Stone profile says it was 2008. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lana-del-rey-vamp-of-constant-sorrow-74230/

The Trump comparison is really inadequate. While Trump is thus far merely a proto-fascist or wannabe fascist, Bolsonaro is a full-on fascist. A better comparison would be Duterte, with some Erdogan, Sisi, and Putin mixed in. It's really dire for Brazil. Things are likely to get really, really bad.

Paradise Yayo

This is absurd. An unconscionable assault on free speech. Not to mention further proof that Israel is not a liberal democracy. https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/New-Zealand-BDS-activists-ordered-to-pay-damages-over-Lorde-Israel-boycott-569194

I'd forgotten about this and stumbled on it while looking for an old tweet of mine about Taylor Swift, but to even my surprise asking Lana to cancel this performance wasn't even the first time I'd asked Lana to care about pro-Palestine activism: https://twitter.com/evilentity_/status/949634676032983041

Has she ever shared a lyrics credit before?

This is why you need a job where you sit at a computer with headphones all day.

Glad this date came and went without Lana performing.

Reminder that Ian Wolfson AKA Rex Arrow, who directed all of Mac Miller's early music videos, directed something than Lana was in (wearing the infamous scarf) with John Rectenwald AKA John Record, who's appeared on a few songs with Mac Miller. It's also crazy that the president of the United States got into Twitter spats with Mac Miller, but that's just the insane world we live in now I guess.

Bumping this for, oh, no particular reason...

I'm happy to absorb blame from people upset by her decision, but if anyone deserves credit it's @ahmadmerhebe on Twitter for starting a fan driven petition and CODEPINK for doing their own petition and traditional BDS groups for organizing aainst it. From Meteor's statement: "We do appreciate her for choosing meteor to help her score some press attention." Yeah, I'm pretty sure this wasn't a premeditated sequence of events. She pretty much pissed off her entire fanbase at some point along the way: Palestinians and pro-Palestine fans who were pissed she even scheduled the concert in the first place, Israelis and pro-Israel fans upset she canceled, and some apolitical fans upset by her "caving". Pretty sure nobody in the West would have given a shit one way or the other if this were true. Y'all can fuck right off. Seriously. Do you hear yourselves? Paraphrasing what I said earlier, anybody who would prioritize their fandom or others' fandom for an artist over supporting human rights is selfish. To turn around and call "selfish" people who actually do prioritize supporting human rights over people's fandom is disgusting. The fucking nerve.

I don't really hear that that much, but funny you should mention that song...

Robin Thicke: I know you want it Yeah, no. Tryna decide what's a bigger atrocity: performing in Israel or hanging out with Robin Thicke. The only reason Lana should ever hang out with Robin Thicke is to discuss questionable copyright litigation.

I have never said Palestinians are completely innocent or have no role in the violence. I have said that Israel uses a disproportionate amount of force. But to be honest, that doesn't even really factor into my support for Palestine and the BDS movement. The issue is the denial of basic human rights to an entire people. And those people are asking for a boycott to put pressure on their oppressors to end the oppression.

I have not used those words. I think disproportionate violence to perpetuate an apartheid-like state is enough on which to make the case for BDS without getting into whether those other terms apply. I just wanted to make that point. I don't think people really appreciate the frankly adversarial nature, when not distant, of the relationship Lana's management has historically had to the forum. Both the past and current administrator have had interactions with management, and I suspect Elle's relationship with them is warmer than Tiarnan's was, but I'm not aware of any moderators interacting with them. I have never had any contact with them anyway. If Ben is aware of me he probably hates me. I've frequently been critical of him. The truth is her management is extremely aggressive and has often made threats against the forum over ridiculous things. Behind the scenes I have consistently advocated against self-censorship or kowtowing to threats without a solid legal basis. @ me next time Where do you get off presuming to judge the sincerity of people's motives without basis? Especially people you know fuck-all about. FYI I've been very pro-Palestinian since I read Chomsky in 2005 if not before that. I legit confronted my congressman at a town hall years ago for having too pro-Israel a stance on his website. Believe it or not, I first learned that Lana was playing this show not from LanaBoards or any other Lana-related site, but from my mostly political completely non-Lana Twitter account under my real name because Glenn Greenwald retweeted a PACBI tweet about it into my feed. I'm not going to, but I could show you conversations I've had with other Lana fans evincing my pro-Palestinian views going back 6 years. I don't recall there previously being an occasion that demanded discussion of Israel/Palestine specifically, but my stance is quite obviously consistent with my record of policing Islamophobic comments. As far as my "sudden jurisdiction against her", anybody who knows a thing about me knows I've never been shy about criticizing Lana and it's not the first time I've criticized her politics or lack thereof. So it's not like I'm some posturing bandwagoner here or whatever you're trying to insinuate. I have genuine long-running convictions about this issue and her playing this festival genuinely bothers me. I find it bizarre (and depressing) that a number of people in this thread seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that someone might empathize with other people they have no "specific attachment to" aside from their shared humanity. Or if they did that they wouldn't if they didn't. Well said. I do not accept it. I don't know if protesting will move her, but I feel compelled to try. That's good historical background. I'd also recommend this section of this entry for more recent context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Israel#Human_rights_in_the_occupied_territories

I mean, everyone has a front hole...

As promised: And here's why her follow-up explanation on Instagram is also garbage. The middle paragraph, on its own, would have been about as good an explanation as possible (note the qualification) to give if followed up by concrete action, which is also a big if. But the opening "My views on democracy and oppression are aligned with most liberal views" is just meaningless. It doesn't say what she really thinks about anything and ignores the fact that many so-called "liberals" support the occupation of Palestine or have other hawkish views. The final sentence is contradictory bullshit. The action she is taking means she doesn't really understand what Roger Waters is saying at all.