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But it is worth saying again so all good He has abused and assaulted so many people and he’s banned from basically half the countries in the world because of it Yet the Recording Academy sees fit to give him an award Clowntown

It’s honestly appalling that he still has a career The fact that the music industry seems to share this view that “enough time has passed” for him to be forgiven is appalling There is soooo much more than just the RiRi incident This man has no business having a recording deal or winning Grammys and anyone who voted for him is a scumbag

Tbh I’m most annoyed that Chris Brown won R&B album because abusers should not be given Grammys

It's not unusual for people to look for other reasons as to why someone might've won a Grammy, considering that having the best music isn't usually the reason someone wins a Grammy. That's not to say that it was a bad album or undeserving or any shit, I'm just saying that the Recording Academy is tokenistic and self-serving af, always has been, and Black artists (in particular) deserve better. I 100% agree with the bolded statement, though.

Scammys continue to scam Happy for Charli tho @bunoner wake up idiot

No!!!!

I’m sorry but I hope Billie doesn’t win AOTY I’m not interested in listening to another acceptance speech that consists of “omigosh you guyssssss hurr hurr I can’t believe it omigod wtfffffff lolzzzzz thank youuuu hehe omigoddddd”

Thriller If you were a type of shoe, which would you be (be as specific or as general as you like)?

Yeah I honestly don't know what he was trying to achieve by releasing this latest one It's such a convenient one-sided 6-minute conversation he's having. Also - he states very clearly that he doesn't like voice memos or texts, so why is he sending one that's 6 minutes long to her in the middle of the fucking night? I mean that's not a crime, but it's also like ... why didn't he just say, "hey I'll talk to you tomorrow/can you call me/I'll call you back" or something? They sounded like they were still on speaking terms at the time of this voice memo? Very few people are gonna pick up at 2am ...

Most sensible post in this entire thread 100% agree

Legit if I received this voice memo from a man at 2am, I'd be at the police station at 9am filing a restraining order

Huh? My comment had fuck all to do with not believing men, or with believing women exclusively. It has to do with believing people (who are usually women) when they say this shit happens to them. ETA: but it applies to men, too. If a man comes forward and says a woman (or another man) did this to him, we should believe him.

You are really showing your arse here. I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact. The point isn't that women are good and men are bad. The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default. The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?" The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction. And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative. The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about. That is all.

If he intentionally said and did things that were inappropriate then yes, I consider him to be a predator. I believe this is (part of) what she is alleging he did?

Men never want these things to be about gender because it makes them look so bad. Unfortunately though, it IS about gender. Sexual harassment and assaults are overwhelmingly perpetrated by men against women - not the other way around. And men always defend other men saying there needs to be "evidence", when anyone with a brain knows very well (as stated above) these things do not always fit into neat little boxes. Like, let's not pretend that there isn't a very obvious campaign to discredit her using the "she asked for it" narrative, for starters. Furthermore, it's about her gender because of the absolute misogyny being directed towards her: 1. No one is accusing Baldoni of being a bad father, but there are thousands of comments saying that Blake is a bad mother because of the way she pushes a child on a swing. 2. No one is saying that he "isn't attractive" (or making any negative reference to his appearance in general). Again, there are thousands of comments that are all, "I never liked her anyway/she isn't even pretty" type comments as if it's in any way relevant. 3. The misogyny against Taylor Swift also plays into this, because people are using Blake's friendship with her as "proof" that she's a bad person, because they don't like Taylor (again, because her music is bad/she isn't attractive/she ruined football). As I said - idk if this is worthy of a court case. But she says she felt uncomfortable and people don't get to negate that because they don't think she's a good actress or whatever. Yes. This. And that "bias" is comprised of blatant misogyny in many cases.