Random Lana Discussion Thread

[Lemonade Tears 1,574]

The only songs that you can pick from NFR as basic, while still maintaining your argument, are Love Song, NFR and Happiness is a Butterfly.

 

The Greatest, Venice Bitch, Mariners, Fuck It I Love You, Bartender's meandering instrumental, hope being her most stripped down song to date, Cinnamon Girl's industrial/electronic instrumentation aren't just me "cherry picking"

The greatest is one of the songs with better production, but compared to older stuff not that special either, VB is the exception as I've said, the FILY production honestly sounds annoying to me but I listen to the early mix, maybe that's why. Bartender is just boring piano, the song could have sounded so much bigger, I like it on hope cause the lyrics are so raw. As someone who used to listen to a lot of electronic music, Cinnamon Girl has a suuuper boring & basic beat. At the beginning I thought it was kind of cute but now I just skip the end part. Even if you disagree, her older albums objectively have way more cinematic production & a lot of us miss that.

[Fingertips 72,053]

There was no way that song could have stayed the same as the demo on any final album: “She wants to die and she should fucking try”... Could anyone get away with those lyrics ?!?? I mean, I don’t mind darkness and depression in a song, I don’t mind a song about contemplating or suggesting suicide, but a song suggesting she should do it?!? Ouf!!!!

However, the final song is really detached from any real emotion and that is why I don’t love it. The lyrics aren’t bad, but we can hear that she reworked the whole thing to have Stevie in board and be a “duet with an iconic legend”.

I still can't believe those lyrics are real 

[Elle 122,884]

Stay on topic please. These may come in handy for some of you:

 

Born to Die - Post Release Discussion Thread

Lust for Life - Post-Release Discussion Thread

Norman Fucking Rockwell - Post-Release Discussion Thread

[Fingertips 72,053]

The greatest is one of the songs with better production, but compared to older stuff not that special either, VB is the exception as I've said, the FILY production honestly sounds annoying to me but I listen to the early mix, maybe that's why. Bartender is just boring piano, the song could have sounded so much bigger, I like it on hope cause the lyrics are so raw. As someone who used to listen to a lot of electronic music, Cinnamon Girl has a suuuper boring & basic beat. At the beginning I thought it was kind of cute but now I just skip the end part. Even if you disagree, her older albums objectively have way more cinematic production & a lot of us miss that.

Why are you acting like she's dead? At a certain point in their career, an artist can't continue making the same type of cinematic music that jumpstarted their career, without it beginning to sound derivative. Born to Die, Paradise, UV, HM all have almost sixty songs between them. Jack mentioned that they went in a different direction from Norman on this record, so maybe you'll find something that catches your interest on Chemtrails? 

[Lemonade Tears 1,574]

Why are you acting like she's dead? At a certain point in their career, an artist can't continue making the same type of cinematic music that jumpstarted their career, without it beginning to sound derivative. Born to Die, Paradise, UV, HM all have almost sixty songs between them. Jack mentioned that they went in a different direction from Norman on this record, so maybe you'll find something that catches your interest on Chemtrails? 

I never said she sounds dead? I like NFR, but as I wrote, I'd prefer different production on COCC, cause I'm not really into that lo-fi style. I don't need her to do the exact same things as on past albums, I just said the production on NFR isn't my fave. You're putting words in my mouth, but yeah I'm happy if Jack changes it up.

[annedelrey 1,821]

TNC is bad because its so far from Lana, she was basically just covering a beatles song, like that is not her music at all, the same thing with BPBP is just a fleetwood mac song

Doin' time is a cover and ... OMG <3 also the videoclip ICONIC

[Vanilla Icy 29,602]

she was so fucking hot at this show 

 

 

 

[American Whore 51,701]

Also, lanadelreybook.com links back to her website, just something interesting

[IanadeIrey 62,141]

Also, lanadelreybook.com links back to her website, just something interesting

Interesting indeed. I think this has also been known for a while, but princessofnewyork.com also redirects to lanadelrey.com

[Rorman Nockwell 56,988]

she was so fucking hot at this show 

 

 

 

 

 

I deadass LOVED that outfit (and show). Everyone yelling out NFR tracks when she asked for requests

 

[prettywhenimhigh 49,452]

she was so fucking hot at this show 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yesssss

 

this outfit is EVERYTHINGGGG

[prettywhenimhigh 49,452]

Which Unreleased song feels like your guilty pleasure?

 

Mine is Hit & Run

I don't know why I love it so much but it sounds so early 2000s, and kinda Lady Gagaish and reminds me of the time I discovered it in my final year of high school and I would listen to it and pretend I was not a model student and in fact a crazy bombshell who drives round town 

 

SAME, my most listened unreleased songs from when I was finishing high school are hit & run and children of the bad revolution

 

they made me feel like I was living this craaazy life partying a lot  but in reality I looked like trash, had no social life and was only studying and working at a pet supplies store lmao

[Coney Island King 26,127]

taylor is way more talented as a songwriter

Her songs literally sound like a 16 year old white girls diary entry....

[Rorman Nockwell 56,988]

Find out your Lana song name today!

 

Moved to http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/11604-what-is-your-lana-song-name/

[annedauphine 36,065]

Hollywood White Ashtray Selfie dying

[takeitdoen 10,629]

@@RormanNockwell this really needs its own topic because this is amazing.

I'm Chinatown Country Club Bartender

 

I thought it said 'last name' for the third part, otherwise I would've been Chinatown Country Club BITCH

[Rorman Nockwell 56,988]

RormanNockwell this really needs its own topic because this is amazing.

 

I'm Chinatown Country Club BITCH

Haha okay, I made one

 

http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/11604-what-is-your-lana-song-name/

[lifeisavelvetcrowbar 1,233]

So I have long believed that Lana is not only the best and most original voice of this generation, but she also possesses a spirit that makes her an incredible channel for the voices of great artists of past generations. Here are my takes about about some of the 60's artists who are sometimes mentioned as Lana's influences, or artists who's voices I feel Lana does or could channel. Also, my Yes/No verdict on whether or not I want Lana to further explore these styles and channel the voices of these artists. BTW I am born in the 90's so please excuse me if there are some gaps in my knowledge from this era! and I would love for someone who was alive through this time to chime in.

 

Nancy Sinatra is a YES for me! Dark and bluesy like Ultraviolence. Noir like Honeymoon. Raw and gritty like Lizzy Grant and May Jailor. Twangy without going full out country. Bad bitch vibes all the way. This is the energy that radiates from Lana's soul.

 

The Shangri-La's is a NO for me. They were super talented and I mean no disrespect to them, but I do not feel the doo-wop/60's girl group style works for Lana. The vocal harmonizing of The Shangri-La's is skillful and beautiful, but I feel it is too cute for Lana's style. I do not like the album version of Lust for Life that Max Martin butchered. It feels like she is trying on the doo-wop genre like someone tries on a costume. The Shangri-la style works a lot better on Get Free, but this still would not make a list of my favorite Lana songs even if the melody wasn't (accidentally I hope) plagiarized from Radiohead.

 

The Beatles are a MAYBE for me. I hear their influence on Tomorrow Never Came, and that is not one of my favorite Lana songs (I mostly hate the Sean Lennon feature). The lyrics of this song are heavy but sonically this style is a little light and breezy for me. It's not heavy enough to pack a punch, and it's not soft enough to be ethereal. The melody is there but something about the production and style of this song is off. It's chill but Lana's voice almost gets lost in it. I also hear The Beatles in Beautiful People demo version. Here she nails the style and hits a home run. If Lana can write another Beatles-esque song and really carry the song, I would be very happy to hear it on an album. However, I do not want to hear another Tomorrow Never Came.

 

The Beach Boys are a NO for me. Another example of a spectacularly talented band that I think doesn't suit Lana's style. Even though they are beachy and Lana is beachy, and Lana mentions them on the Greatest, I don't really hear a lot of Beach Boys influence in Lana's music. Like the Beatles, this music is too light and breezy for Lana. She needs a style with more emotional weight.

 

Joan Boaz is a YES for me! Joan is a queen of ethereal folk beauty! I hear Joan's influence all over post-Ultraviolence music, especially on her acoustic and unreleased tracks like Cherry Blossom. I did not know about Joan until Lana introduced me to her, and I am so glad to discover this talented queen! Her style of singing really is so similar to Lana's. I am grateful for her music and so grateful for the inspiration that she has given to Lana.

 

Etta James is a YES for me. I love jazzy/soulful Lana! Honeymoon is so indebted to black female jazz and soul singers like Etta James, Billie Holliday, Nina Simone and more. This style is so effortless for Lana and suits her voice so well. As Lana gets older, I would love to hear her make more mature jazz records that channel these all time greats.

 

Velvet Underground is a YES for me. I love the grungy and sarcastic hipster poetry of Brooklyn Baby. I love it when she sings with Lou Reed's disaffection in her voice. Lana is a far better vocalist than Lou Reed. She can elevate these types of songs from a cool mood to a beautiful cool mood. 

 

Leonard Cohen is a YES for me. Many of my all time favorite Lana songs is when she is just singing her heavy heart over an acoustic guitar or acoustic piano. Her cover of Cohen's Chelsea Hotel #2 is so achingly beautiful. She is literally the reincarnation of Cohen, she was born to channel his heartbreak poetry.

 

Joni Mitchel is a NO for me but hear me out! This one I feel very conflicted about. Joni Mitchel is one of the most talented songwriters in American history. She is perhaps the artist that influenced the sound of NFR more than any other artist. I feel that Joni's lyricism and melody is very intellectual, but I prefer Lana when she sounds a little more passionate and filled with raw emotion. Also, Lana is not as good at political music or social critique as Joni. I do love NFR so much and am grateful for the inspiration that Joni gave to Lana. I wouldn't change a thing about NFR except for those damn bells on How to Disappear, but I think I have heard enough of the Joni sound for now and would like to hear Lana explore other influences, even if she stays roughly in the beachy folk space. I also think that Fiona Apple is able to channel Joni a little bit more than Lana.

 

Giorgio Moroder is a YES for me! Maybe he is more considered a 70's artist but he was still active through the 60's, so I will include him. My life would be complete if we could get a Lana Del Rey disco album! I am not talking some cheap EDM-pop album, I mean a timeless disco-diva album filled with virtuosic instrumentation, a full orchestra,  and giant choruses that will light up dance floors for decades to come. If not a full disco album, then maybe a fusion that is half disco and half explosive energy jazz and soul songs. I want to hear Lana belting, hitting the highest notes in her vocal range, and showing off the full range of her vocal abilities. I want Giorgio Moroder, I want Donna Summers, and I want ABBA! And I want ultra glam photoshoots and big budget videos one final time before Lana relaxes back into her flannels to sing folk and blues and jazz for the next 50 years. Lana please give us the disco album!!

 

 

 

Here is a playlist of 60's songs that are sort of a mood board for voices and energies that I would like to hear Lana channel:

 

• Tommy James & The Shondells - Crimson & Clover (Venice Bitch spiritual successor!)
• Dick Dale - Miserlou (Hawaiian glam metal teas?)
• The Band - The Weight (Lana get back together with Dan Auerbach and make a bluesy folk rock album that isn't about abusive relationships challenge!) 
• Otis Redding - (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay (beautiful California singer/songwriter blues vibes. UV meets NFR)
• Nico - These Days (this song is SO Lana. NFR meets LFL. I would love for Lana to get in the studio with both Jack and Emile for an extended time, and give us something that sounds like this)
• Nancy Sinatra - Bang Bang (can Lana cover this so that I can add the MP3 into Ultraviolence?)
• Simon & Garfunkle - The Sound of Silence
• Nick Drake - River Man (May Jailor teas with better guitar playing)
• Ben E. King - Stand By Me (Heartwarming and overflowing with positive energy like Lana's Love. Lana's disco album needs a song like this)
• Lorraine Ellison - Stay With Me (Channeling this energy for a BIG jazz/soul song on Lana's disco album)
• Frank Sinatra - It Was a Very Good Year (Honeymoon vibes) 

[Flowerbomb 65,595]

 

So I have long believed that Lana is not only the best and most original voice of this generation, but she also possesses a spirit that makes her an incredible channel for the voices of great artists of past generations. Here are my takes about about some of the 60's artists who are sometimes mentioned as Lana's influences, or artists who's voices I feel Lana does or could channel. Also, my Yes/No verdict on whether or not I want Lana to further explore these styles and channel the voices of these artists. BTW I am born in the 90's so please excuse me if there are some gaps in my knowledge from this era! and I would love for someone who was alive through this time to chime in.

 

Nancy Sinatra is a YES for me! Dark and bluesy like Ultraviolence. Noir like Honeymoon. Raw and gritty like Lizzy Grant and May Jailor. Twangy without going full out country. Bad bitch vibes all the way. This is the energy that radiates from Lana's soul.

 

The Shangri-La's is a NO for me. They were super talented and I mean no disrespect to them, but I do not feel the doo-wop/60's girl group style works for Lana. The vocal harmonizing of The Shangri-La's is skillful and beautiful, but I feel it is too cute for Lana's style. I do not like the album version of Lust for Life that Max Martin butchered. It feels like she is trying on the doo-wop genre like someone tries on a costume. The Shangri-la style works a lot better on Get Free, but this still would not make a list of my favorite Lana songs even if the melody wasn't (accidentally I hope) plagiarized from Radiohead.

 

The Beatles are a MAYBE for me. I hear their influence on Tomorrow Never Came, and that is not one of my favorite Lana songs (I mostly hate the Sean Lennon feature). The lyrics of this song are heavy but sonically this style is a little light and breezy for me. It's not heavy enough to pack a punch, and it's not soft enough to be ethereal. The melody is there but something about the production and style of this song is off. It's chill but Lana's voice almost gets lost in it. I also hear The Beatles in Beautiful People demo version. Here she nails the style and hits a home run. If Lana can write another Beatles-esque song and really carry the song, I would be very happy to hear it on an album. However, I do not want to hear another Tomorrow Never Came.

 

The Beach Boys are a NO for me. Another example of a spectacularly talented band that I think doesn't suit Lana's style. Even though they are beachy and Lana is beachy, and Lana mentions them on the Greatest, I don't really hear a lot of Beach Boys influence in Lana's music. Like the Beatles, this music is too light and breezy for Lana. She needs a style with more emotional weight.

 

Joan Boaz is a YES for me! Joan is a queen of ethereal folk beauty! I hear Joan's influence all over post-Ultraviolence music, especially on her acoustic and unreleased tracks like Cherry Blossom. I did not know about Joan until Lana introduced me to her, and I am so glad to discover this talented queen! Her style of singing really is so similar to Lana's. I am grateful for her music and so grateful for the inspiration that she has given to Lana.

 

Etta James is a YES for me. I love jazzy/soulful Lana! Honeymoon is so indebted to black female jazz and soul singers like Etta James, Billie Holliday, Nina Simone and more. This style is so effortless for Lana and suits her voice so well. As Lana gets older, I would love to hear her make more mature jazz records that channel these all time greats.

 

Velvet Underground is a YES for me. I love the grungy and sarcastic hipster poetry of Brooklyn Baby. I love it when she sings with Lou Reed's disaffection in her voice. Lana is a far better vocalist than Lou Reed. She can elevate these types of songs from a cool mood to a beautiful cool mood. 

 

Leonard Cohen is a YES for me. Many of my all time favorite Lana songs is when she is just singing her heavy heart over an acoustic guitar or acoustic piano. Her cover of Cohen's Chelsea Hotel #2 is so achingly beautiful. She is literally the reincarnation of Cohen, she was born to channel his heartbreak poetry.

 

Joni Mitchel is a NO for me but hear me out! This one I feel very conflicted about. Joni Mitchel is one of the most talented songwriters in American history. She is perhaps the artist that influenced the sound of NFR more than any other artist. I feel that Joni's lyricism and melody is very intellectual, but I prefer Lana when she sounds a little more passionate and filled with raw emotion. Also, Lana is not as good at political music or social critique as Joni. I do love NFR so much and am grateful for the inspiration that Joni gave to Lana. I wouldn't change a thing about NFR except for those damn bells on How to Disappear, but I think I have heard enough of the Joni sound for now and would like to hear Lana explore other influences, even if she stays roughly in the beachy folk space. I also think that Fiona Apple is able to channel Joni a little bit more than Lana.

 

Giorgio Moroder is a YES for me! Maybe he is more considered a 70's artist but he was still active through the 60's, so I will include him. My life would be complete if we could get a Lana Del Rey disco album! I am not talking some cheap EDM-pop album, I mean a timeless disco-diva album filled with virtuosic instrumentation, a full orchestra,  and giant choruses that will light up dance floors for decades to come. If not a full disco album, then maybe a fusion that is half disco and half explosive energy jazz and soul songs. I want to hear Lana belting, hitting the highest notes in her vocal range, and showing off the full range of her vocal abilities. I want Giorgio Moroder, I want Donna Summers, and I want ABBA! And I want ultra glam photoshoots and big budget videos one final time before Lana relaxes back into her flannels to sing folk and blues and jazz for the next 50 years. Lana please give us the disco album!!

 

 

 

Here is a playlist of 60's songs that are sort of a mood board for voices and energies that I would like to hear Lana channel:

 

• Tommy James & The Shondells - Crimson & Clover (Venice Bitch spiritual successor!)
• Dick Dale - Miserlou (Hawaiian glam metal teas?)
• The Band - The Weight (Lana get back together with Dan Auerbach and make a bluesy folk rock album that isn't about abusive relationships challenge!) 
• Otis Redding - (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay (beautiful California singer/songwriter blues vibes. UV meets NFR)
• Nico - These Days (this song is SO Lana. NFR meets LFL. I would love for Lana to get in the studio with both Jack and Emile for an extended time, and give us something that sounds like this)
• Nancy Sinatra - Bang Bang (can Lana cover this so that I can add the MP3 into Ultraviolence?)
• Simon & Garfunkle - The Sound of Silence
• Nick Drake - River Man (May Jailor teas with better guitar playing)
• Ben E. King - Stand By Me (Heartwarming and overflowing with positive energy like Lana's Love. Lana's disco album needs a song like this)
• Lorraine Ellison - Stay With Me (Channeling this energy for a BIG jazz/soul song on Lana's disco album)
• Frank Sinatra - It Was a Very Good Year (Honeymoon vibes) 

 

 

I would really like Lana to explore a Nancy Sinatra sound too. I've always wanted her to cover Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down).

 

Joan Baez is also another good example. I can imagine Lana emulating her sound very well. Songs like River in the Pines, Blessed Are, The Water is Wide, and Rock, Salt and Nails would be perfect for her to cover or take inspiration from.

 

Also yes to Lana covering some more Simon & Garfunkel (Patterns, El Condor Pasa, The Boxer, April Come She Will)

 

Lana covering Ben E. King would be SO good, particularly his songs Spanish Harlem, Sway, This Magic Moment, and Come Closer to Me

 

And I know this is a long shot but I would love for Lana to also cover some Tim Buckley or Bonnie Dobson too

[bougainvillea 295]

Is it just me who doesn't get why NFR is considered to have "no production"?