Unpopular Lana Opinions

[vrtvie 2,117]

I would love for Lana to release Yes to Heaven officially at last, but I'm scared of the outcome of a potential rework...

[Orville Peck 22,803]

Yes to Heaven is not so good. 

[Rorman Nockwell 53,760]

8 hours ago, bunoner said:

you're so unpopular

u smell

[Rorman Nockwell 53,760]

7 hours ago, Vertimus said:

Lana even said that, after criticizing Lana, her musical style, and themes, Lorde then went ahead and stole them, leading some to believe that that was why Lana changed styles abruptly with UV. 

Idk how you can "steal" themes that people have been singing about for decades, but okay

I mean Lana's themes at that time were old Hollywood glamour and Americana, generally speaking. She undeniably presented them in an original way, but Lorde isn't American and afaik has few (or no?) American themes

As I said, it's a matter of opinion, but I don't see the connection

I also don't think their voices sound even remotely alike

And lastly if Lana is so concerned about the similiarity, it's a weird move to frequently work with the producer of one of Lorde's most acclaimed albums

The media loves to pit women against each other; these journalists are no doubt aware of the exchanges between the two and play it up in articles as a result

This is my (unpopular) opinion

 

[Future Jazz 8,944]

i can't help being a little put off by the "fuck me to death" line when sexual violence towards women is the widespread problem it is and most titles for porn videos feature violent terms. i wasn't put off by "you fucked me so good i almost said i love you" at all because there was absolutely no mention of violence, so it's not at all that i don't want her to talk about sex, and i do think it's a good thing she's being honest and not watering her songs down, but i can't help not feeling comfortable with that line, because of how directly reminiscent of a violent part of our culture it is. now don't come for me, i'm not saying she should not have written it, i'm just saying that those images are what directly comes to my mind when i see the words "fuck me to death" and i hope that line didn't hurt the feelings of people who were victims of sexual abuse or sound insensitive to them.

[Surf Noir 188,817]

9 minutes ago, Future Jazz said:

i can't help being a little put off by the "fuck me to death" line when sexual violence towards women is the widespread problem it is and most titles for porn videos feature violent terms. i wasn't put off by "you fucked me so good i almost said i love you" at all because there was absolutely no mention of violence, so it's not at all that i don't want her to talk about sex, and i do think it's a good thing she's being honest and not watering her songs down, but i can't help not feeling comfortable with that line, because of how directly reminiscent of a violent part of our culture it is. now don't come for me, i'm not saying she should not have written it, i'm just saying that those images are what directly comes to my mind when i see the words "fuck me to death" and i hope that line didn't hurt the feelings of people who were victims of sexual abuse or sound insensitive to them.

 

as somebody who's quite anti-pornography it doesn't bother me at all, i think she delivered that lyric in a way that didn't feel tacky or crass, i think she used the "to death" part for some sort of emphasis, i think it adds to the emotion she's trying to convey, and i don't think the action of doing something "to death" automatically means violence, it's sometimes more of a metaphorical thing, i don't think she literally means she wants somebody to have sex with her until she literally dies from the sex, it's not much different from the term "love me to death" when we tell somebody we love them to death, we mean it as, we love them a lot, or that we'll love them until the day we die, not that we want to love them so much that it will cause them to die

[Future Jazz 8,944]

17 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

 

as somebody who's quite anti-pornography it doesn't bother me at all, i think she delivered that lyric in a way that didn't feel tacky or crass, i think she used the "to death" part for some sort of emphasis, i think it adds to the emotion she's trying to convey, and i don't think the action of doing something "to death" automatically means violence, it's sometimes more of a metaphorical thing, i don't think she literally means she wants somebody to have sex with her until she literally dies from the sex, it's not much different from the term "love me to death" when we tell somebody we love them to death, we mean it as, we love them a lot, or that we'll love them until the day we die, not that we want to love them so much that it will cause them to die

i agree with you it is meant to show emphasis and it does, but those specific words combined still convey an image of violence through sex which most women know all too well and which other ways to express emphasis would not have conveyed. i get the parallel with “loving someone to death” but that would mean, if i’m not mistaken, “loving someone until you die”, not “loving someone until the act of loving kills them”, contrary to “fucking someone to death” in which case the person who dies is the one who’s on the receiving end. but it’s still no big deal, i’m just curious if anyone else doesn’t feel 100% comfortable with that line, knowing that it can’t be reduced to its literal meaning, but that its literal meaning can’t be fully discarded either

[IanadeIrey 60,724]

54 minutes ago, Future Jazz said:

i can't help being a little put off by the "fuck me to death" line when sexual violence towards women is the widespread problem it is and most titles for porn videos feature violent terms. i wasn't put off by "you fucked me so good i almost said i love you" at all because there was absolutely no mention of violence, so it's not at all that i don't want her to talk about sex, and i do think it's a good thing she's being honest and not watering her songs down, but i can't help not feeling comfortable with that line, because of how directly reminiscent of a violent part of our culture it is. now don't come for me, i'm not saying she should not have written it, i'm just saying that those images are what directly comes to my mind when i see the words "fuck me to death" and i hope that line didn't hurt the feelings of people who were victims of sexual abuse or sound insensitive to them.

This a really thoughtful point that I didn’t consider before, because, as @Surf Noir mentioned, I took it as its intended meaning. But I really appreciate you bringing up how language takes on new connotations when it’s contextualized by something (in this case, sex). 
 

This actually reminds me of something kind of unrelated (but also not) that I feel a bit uncomfortable witnessing. I can’t help but feel that the sensual feeling of the album’s photoshoot is used as an excuse to further objectify Lana by some audiences. I know it’s not ill-intentioned, and I know that this may read as prudish or overly sensitive, but I see a lot of comments about Lana that reduce her to an object of sexual desire. 
 

I can only assume that because it’s largely gay men and straight women who make these comments—two groups that aren’t attracted to Lana in that sense—there’s a feeling that it’s different if a straight man said it. And because Lana is drawing attention to herself in that way, perhaps people seem like it is okay for them to do so as well. But one’s self-empowerment is not an invitation to be objectified. The whole gamut of comments that refer to Lana’s chest as a colloquial, albeit, crass term, reads as generally disgusting. 

[one time beauty queen 18,383]

50 minutes ago, Future Jazz said:

i can't help being a little put off by the "fuck me to death" line when sexual violence towards women is the widespread problem it is and most titles for porn videos feature violent terms. i wasn't put off by "you fucked me so good i almost said i love you" at all because there was absolutely no mention of violence, so it's not at all that i don't want her to talk about sex, and i do think it's a good thing she's being honest and not watering her songs down, but i can't help not feeling comfortable with that line, because of how directly reminiscent of a violent part of our culture it is. now don't come for me, i'm not saying she should not have written it, i'm just saying that those images are what directly comes to my mind when i see the words "fuck me to death" and i hope that line didn't hurt the feelings of people who were victims of sexual abuse or sound insensitive to them.

 

really interesting  (and refreshing) to see this kind of take on the lyric,  you def have a valid point imo!

[the ocean 67,621]

2 minutes ago, IanadeIrey said:

This actually reminds me of something kind of unrelated but also not that I feel a bit uncomfortable with sometimes. I can’t help but feel that the sensual feeling of the album’s photoshoot is used as an excuse to further objectify Lana. I know it’s not ill intentioned and I know that this may read as prudish or overly sensitive, but I see a lot of comments about Lana that reduce her to an object of sexual desire.

I can only assume that because it’s largely gay men and straight women who make these comments—two groups that aren’t attracted to Lana in that sense—there’s a feeling that it’s different if a straight man said it. And because Lana is drawing attention to herself in that way, perhaps people seem like it is okay for them to do so as well. But one’s self-empowerment is not an invitation to be objectified. 

the amount of people that have talked about her boobs on this site for seemingly no other reason other than OMG BOOBS has been really concerning to me and even after i pointed it out i got either the textual equivalent of a blank stare or in a couple cases actual backlash

it's weird y'all are acting very weird

[nveeeee 1]

On 12/9/2022 at 2:21 AM, fl0r1dakil0s said:

 

first of all she doesn't go to hillsong she goes to churchome and churchome is a fairly progressive nondenominational church.. what makes you say judah smith is homophobic? churchome has no written stance on sexual orientation and as a nondenominational church they accept everyone. this is a quote from one of his sermons: "“Jesus systematically opposes all forms of exclusion. He opposes it. He is against it: Any form, any system, or any policy or any program that excludes anyone. Jesus diabolically and very obviously opposes it.”.. like yes he is a pastor but he just doesn't really seem homophobic to me

https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a29687351/churchome-judah-smith-chelsea-smith/
 

he is 100% a homophobe. has been vocal about it in the past. and now that he is more famous he refused to even take a stance, but he’s a homophobe for sure. she knows it. she’s a smart girl. 

[IanadeIrey 60,724]

Just now, the ocean said:

the amount of people that have talked about her boobs on this site for seemingly no other reason other than OMG BOOBS has been really concerning to me and even after i pointed it out i got either the textual equivalent of a blank stare or in a couple cases actual backlash

it's weird y'all are acting very weird

I think it’s disgusting and backwards. These are still (mostly) men making these comments. It’s great for Lana for feeling liberated to embrace her femininity in the way that she is—and I think the women who praise her for doing so are doing it from a place of camaraderie and solidarity with the female experience. But when people talk about her breasts in a way that is reductive and almost drooling over them, it’s plain disgusting. Period. 

[PatentLeatherDoOver 25,803]

I’m really glad everyone mentioned this, and  extending off of what @lanadelrey said, it specifically reminds me of the clip where a guy at one of her concerts yelled out, “Lana, sit on my face!”

 

Unfortunately, many fans treated it as if it were some “iconic” moment, and it’s disappointing, really. She—and of course others in her position—are rarely treated as humans, and I just hope there’s eventually a larger shift where people are able to consume her art without treating her as a product to mindlessly critique. 

[Surf Noir 188,817]

2 hours ago, IanadeIrey said:

This a really thoughtful point that I didn’t consider before, because, as @Surf Noir mentioned, I took it as its intended meaning. But I really appreciate you bringing up how language takes on new connotations when it’s contextualized by something (in this case, sex). 
 

This actually reminds me of something kind of unrelated (but also not) that I feel a bit uncomfortable witnessing. I can’t help but feel that the sensual feeling of the album’s photoshoot is used as an excuse to further objectify Lana by some audiences. I know it’s not ill-intentioned, and I know that this may read as prudish or overly sensitive, but I see a lot of comments about Lana that reduce her to an object of sexual desire. 
 

I can only assume that because it’s largely gay men and straight women who make these comments—two groups that aren’t attracted to Lana in that sense—there’s a feeling that it’s different if a straight man said it. And because Lana is drawing attention to herself in that way, perhaps people seem like it is okay for them to do so as well. But one’s self-empowerment is not an invitation to be objectified. The whole gamut of comments that refer to Lana’s chest as a colloquial, albeit, crass term, reads as generally disgusting. 

 

i'm really glad to see somebody else mention how weird people can be towards lana and her body here, i think it's fine to celebrate lana being able to be confident in her body, but a lot of people here seem to objectify it, i feel like people really need to think about how they react to particular things, because what may seem like harmless comments can actually come across as pretty objectifying, i feel like society is going towards this attitude that a woman showing her body, acting sexual is the best way to be empowered, obviously, it can be, but i feel like it's not usually just allowing women to express themselves freely, but more so further objectifying them and making them out to be sexual commodities in a society which has already been doing that

 

i wish society talked more about other ways women can be empowered and equal in society, other than just being sexual, it's funny to me how nobody seems to realize the issues with this

[IanadeIrey 60,724]

10 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

 

i'm really glad to see somebody else mention how weird people can be towards lana and her body here, i think it's fine to celebrate lana being able to be confident in her body, but a lot of people here seem to objectify it, i feel like people really need to think about how they react to particular things, because what may seem like harmless comments can actually come across as pretty objectifying, i feel like society is going towards this attitude that a woman showing her body, acting sexual is the best way to be empowered, obviously, it can be, but i feel like it's not usually just allowing women to express themselves freely, but more so further objectifying them and making them out to be sexual commodities in a society which has already been doing that

I totally agree! You bring up a really insightful point about how completely leaning into sexuality is seen as a primary means of empowerment. I’d argue that both extremes—being liberated in your sexuality to the point of overexposure and being conservative about your sexuality to the point where any exercise of it becomes associated with shame—are damaging, and both position women as objects to be perceived by men (the contrast between the “slut” who is repulsive to men and the “saint” whose purity and innocence are appealing to men). I think we should avoid unsolicited comments about people’s bodies in general, especially sexual ones given the social dynamics of Lana being a woman whose fan site consists of a lot of men. 

[Vertimus 8,926]

I don’t care for the ‘fuck me to death’ line at all for a lot of reasons—it’s just tacky, at the very least—but as far as her breasts are concerned, Lana herself has been parading them all over social media for half a year or more, so there’s no one to blame but her. And the new album graphics even have that illustration of her with bare breasts. So if we’re complaining about it, we have to start at the source. 

[Surf Noir 188,817]

2 minutes ago, IanadeIrey said:

I totally agree! You bring up a really insightful point about how completely leaning into sexuality is seen as a primary means of empowerment. I’d argue that both extremes—being liberated in your sexuality to the point of overexposure and being conservative about your sexuality to the point where any exercise of it becomes associated with shame—are damaging, and both position women as objects to be perceived by men (the contrast between the “slut” who is repulsive to men and the “saint” whose purity and innocence are appealing to men). I think we should avoid unsolicited comments about people’s bodies in general, especially sexual ones given the social dynamics of Lana being a woman whose fan site consists of a lot of men. 

 

now that i think about it, it does seem like there's a lot of unsolicited comments made about lana's appearance, i think it's a little tricky, because in some of her recent photoshoots, she does show a lot, and it would be silly to think that nobody would acknowledge it, but there's a difference between saying "i'm happy to see she's confident with herself", and saying "wow, she looks hot! titties!" maybe because we're on the internet on a fan-forum, we tend to forget that these are real people making these comments about a real person, and a lot of them are men, i just wish people would think more about what they say, and ultimately their attitudes towards women

[Vertimus 8,926]

5 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

 

now that i think about it, it does seem like there's a lot of unsolicited comments made about lana's appearance, i think it's a little tricky, because in some of her recent photoshoots, she does show a lot, and it would be silly to think that nobody would acknowledge it, but there's a difference between saying "i'm happy to see she's confident with herself", and saying "wow, she looks hot! titties!" maybe because we're on the internet on a fan-forum, we tend to forget that these are real people making these comments about a real person, and a lot of them are men, i just wish people would think more about what they say, and ultimately their attitudes towards women

Yes, but a real person who is flaunting her breasts in public, for her public. So the problem starts with her. Maybe she thinks it’s ‘art,’ who knows? But some people are always going to just see that as her portraying herself as a sex symbol, and so they are going to respond in kind. 

[IanadeIrey 60,724]

17 minutes ago, Vertimus said:

I don’t care for the ‘fuck me to death’ line at all for a lot of reasons—it’s just tacky, at the very least—but as far as her breasts are concerned, Lana herself has been parading them all over social media for half a year or more, so there’s no one to blame but her. And the new album graphics even have that illustration of her with bare breasts. So if we’re complaining about it, we have to start at the source. 

I totally get where you’re coming from, but I’d also say it is complicated because this kind of logic enables that of people (mostly men) who justify the unwanted sexual attention that women receive (like harassment) on the basis of what those women are wearing. I can only speak for myself when I say that I would never wear anything revealing so as to not increase the possibility of that harassment, but women receive sexual attention regardless of what they’re wearing. There are so many instances of women being sexualized to their discomfort even in conservative cultures and religions. 
 

I guess because Lana is famous and is presenting this through art, it appears slightly different, but I think the principle still stands. The photos can be appreciated without vulgar comments attached to them. Sensual art has a place, but it seems that the artfulness of it is stripped away as soon as the audience marvels at one’s bosom in a lustful way. 

[Vertimus 8,926]

17 minutes ago, IanadeIrey said:

I totally get where you’re coming from, but I’d also say it is complicated because this kind of logic enables that of people (mostly men) who justify the unwanted sexual attention that women receive (like harassment) on the basis of what those women are wearing. I can only speak for myself when I say that I would never wear anything revealing so as to not increase the possibility of that harassment, but women receive sexual attention regardless of what they’re wearing. There are so many instances of women being sexualized even in conservative cultures and religions. I guess because Lana is famous and is presenting this through art, it appears slightly different, but I think the principle still stands. The photos can be appreciated without vulgar comments attached to it. Sensual art has a place, but it seems that the artfulness of it is stripped away as soon as the audience marvels at one’s bosom. 

I am all for sensual art, which goes back to the dawn of recorded time, and the entire southern European approach to sex, relationships, and art, but one slice of that pie is abuse, exploitation, harassment, and all other negative, intrusive forms of approach to sexuality, and in a world where people are definitely not all civil and respectful to others, we have to take that ‘bad’ with the good. Laws help, but they’re always ‘after the fact’ of base human nature, which is never going to be eradicated. 
 

Certainly, responsibility starts with the individual, in this case, Lana. She can’t argue that she can show her breasts provocatively but then say, “There’s only one acceptable response from my public regarding my revealing my breasts, and that’s one of appreciation and respect.” No. People are going to act in any number of ways, which they have the right to as long as those responses remain within the law. If they want to yell out, ‘Great tits, babe!’, or worse, we may cringe, but it’s their right to speak freely. Middle class American decorum and ‘nice’ values are never going to be embraced by a great portion of the world’s population.