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I apologise if anyone is offended by the word ‘queer’. When I heard it first used I was little thrown too but in academia the word ‘queer’ (in terms of queer theory) is used to refer to a spectrum that is all inclusive and anyone can position themselves on. It also encompasses all genders and sexuality, and avoids labelling specifics that could cause offence, and is also inclusive to anyone who is discovering who they are.
 
First and foremost – no one picks to like a singer because they’re considered a queer icon, a woman singing about men, or out of obligation (Creyk, Bob Renoir de Monet, Tristesse). There is a clear trend of loving the music because it’s GOOD music. J  (heroinbeaches)
 
The second thing will do is clarify that my positionally is as a white, gay, cis-male who is scrappy and young(ish) but relatively well off. I’ve definitely been through some growing pains and experienced othering like many in the queer community, but the following is largely moulded into the perspectives from and for queer men. I would love to invite anyone else to synthesise the same about the female perspective – the rejection of Lana as an icon and the debate of authenticity is always brought up and there are some really good arguments here.
Thirdly, I supposed subconsciously we are all talking about 2010 – 2013 era of when Lana was first discovered. Nowaways, Lana is still emblazoned with her Hollywood sadcore aesthetic and sound, and despite her music continually shifting in style and influence, this is largely how she is typically regarded.
 
It is impossible to say, but gay men are probably not the majority, but certainly a vocal minority (cashcomesquick; sparklrtrailrheaven). Lana del Rey’s music isn’t exclusively enjoyed by queer men, but it is a negative stereotype, and there are a few factors to this. This is by no means a definitive answer, but from responses I am seeing the following correlations. I’ve noted below who I’ve taken major points from in the brackets. You lil geniuses. 
 
Lana del Rey became associated with queer culture from some of these factors.
 
THE RISE OF THE STEROTYPE
 
·      Lana del Rey’s music rose in popularity despite and against mainstream sound. Her musical style with an original 60s + hip hop style was cool and weird and different (HydroponicWeeds), her lyrical content was relatable and initial-DIY aesthetic countered mainstream female pop-singers. These factors went so far to an extent that she was considered an ‘other’ and outcast, and queer people found an affinity after Lana was ‘othered’ by mainstream media. This also exacerbated by her huge critical and public rejection from the SNL performance.
·      She rose to popularity amongst platforms (such as Tumblr and Myspace) which familiarised a section of her fanbase with her alternative sound for an ‘underground’ ‘undiscovered’ feeling that subverted the way artists were discovered (Pin Up Galore). (Again, a generalisation, but) A stereotype of these users on these platforms at that time considered themselves outcasts – this added to a unified feeling of “we don’t fit” which was a draw card to Lana del Rey (daisy fresh witch).
·      The persecution of the authenticity of Lana del Rey, and her perceived invented life of her ‘persona’ are continually debated and despite huge popularity, album sales, live concerts, and award nominations, Lana is still rejected by mainstream media. Non-conformity, as well as societal outsiders are always attractive, safe and inviting to the queer community, as we see ourselves in them. (gyu)
 
 
THE AFFINITY FOR DEL REY
 
·      Lana writes from a classically feminine perspective, the theatricality of her lyrics and aesthetic of the Born to Die era encompasses glamour and camp, with an unusual commitment to being ‘serious’ and ‘sad’. The meld of influences ticks some classic ‘gay culture’ boxes, including the femme fatale Hollywood trope, Marilyn Munroe appearance, and Golden Age Hollywood — she then exaggerates it all, creating a perfect (campy and gay) storm. (sparklrtrailrheaven; JazzSingrCultLeadr)
·      The tragic and submissive angle is the anthesis of the empowering anthems of the 2010s. An inverse of that, queer people often enjoy strong women, but identity intimately with the passive and demure in regards to being othered or feeling hidden (JazzSingrCultLeadr).
·      Lana del Rey’s music is relatable to and queer community (gasstationkween; GeminiLanaFan). Lana’s music connects with people that are very sensitive, feeling everything a bit too much, and people that have struggled in their lives. Many queer people have struggled at some point, which is why some queer fans are attracted to her resilience, perseverance, and ambivalence to the social norm.
·      Perhaps the biggest factor regarding the themes of her work - Lana’s initial releases presented love as an undying devotion with elements of desperation, doom, death etc. that really didn't fit into the zeitgeist at the time because of shifting discourses (WilshireBoulevard).
·      She is powerful, fresh-out-of-fucks forever singer – “it felt like [she] took the world by storm so nonchalantly!” (Veinsineon). Lana’s appearance, her interaction with her fans, her delivery and work holds an extreme femininity that queer people are attracted to. Whether it be radiating a softer, feminine side that’s attractive or desirable (PARADIXO), a coquettish and fun indulgence of hyperfeminitiy (Neptune) or her powerful and vulnerable radiating of power (trashmagiq), her energy is simply inspiring.
 
 
Thanks everyone for your extremely interesting and diverse answers (so far?). It's so good to be able to pinpoint some of this as (despite any misgivings...) Lana truly is an icon of our time and these stereotypes have been present since I've been a fan but not totally sure why.
 
@@WilshireBoulevard your post is so brilliant I haven't finished digesting it yet. Also @JazzSingrCultLeadr, simply brilliantly insightful.

Sounds like he's not over her. 

Sounds like he's not over her. 

the flair for drama, eccentricity and the exaltation of pain/misery. the ultimate fantasy and the heightened sense of style particularly in the btd/paradise era. she's a torch singer, she's like edith piaf in that way. a lot of her inspiration is drawn from gay icons as well. 
 
 
(i'm a bi woman but don't identify w/ "straight" media whatsoever.)

I am hoping the LB team can help me with working out something that I've wondered for a while. As with many prolific artists, Lana del Rey's music is so good that anyone can be a fan. However, we know there are two stereotypes that get the majority - typically regarded as hardcore fans of younger women and gay men.
 
My question is specifically about queer people - why do they gravitate so strongly to Lana's music? Are they drawn into Lana del Rey's persona? Is there a connection with the tragical lyrics? Is Born to Die persona a gay champion compared to NFR?
 
Why is Lana del Rey considering the mecca of queer iconography? The idea that any gay that loves Lana is a tragic bottom with daddy issues is strange as in recent times I've started to see Lana be described unironically as a gay icon. In 2017, Billboard Magazine published an article called "5 Reasons Lana del Rey is a Muse to Gay Fans", and Tulane Hullabaloo wrote an article last year that described her as an "unexpected gay icon". The second article is less scholarly but it touches on the fact that queer people find an affinity with her sad content that relates to them feeling misunderstood or unconnected - but surely not every fan feels like that??
 
Considering her contemporaries (Madonna, Cher, L. Gaga and maybe even Florence Welch) have been substantially more supportive and vocal of their queer fanbase, why is Lana regarded with the same status? 
 
I'm really interested in hearing anyone's reply - especially from queer folx I want to hear why you love Lana, and non-queer people about what you perceive in the situation. 
 
EDIT: 
TL;DR + an update to this post for clarity
What attracts queer fans to Lana del Rey?I'm asking either: 1) as a gay person, why do you like Lana? 2) as a gay person, why what do you think draws queer people to Lana 3) as a person not identifying as a gay man, what aspects do you think draw queer people to Lana? 4) as a person not identifying as a gay man, what makes you a fan of Lana? What factors contribute to the stereotypes of a Lana del Rey fan? I'm asking what aspects of Lana's career, image, songs contribute to the stereotype - I am personally very interested in the 'sad gay' stereotype. See below for examples:

I apologise if anyone is offended by the word ‘queer’. When I heard it first used I was little thrown too but in academia the word ‘queer’ (in terms of queer theory) is used to refer to a spectrum that is all inclusive and anyone can position themselves on. It also encompasses all genders and sexuality, and avoids labelling specifics that could cause offence, and is also inclusive to anyone who is discovering who they are.
 
First and foremost – no one picks to like a singer because they’re considered a queer icon, a woman singing about men, or out of obligation (Creyk, Bob Renoir de Monet, Tristesse). There is a clear trend of loving the music because it’s GOOD music. J  (heroinbeaches)
 
The second thing will do is clarify that my positionally is as a white, gay, cis-male who is scrappy and young(ish) but relatively well off. I’ve definitely been through some growing pains and experienced othering like many in the queer community, but the following is largely moulded into the perspectives from and for queer men. I would love to invite anyone else to synthesise the same about the female perspective – the rejection of Lana as an icon and the debate of authenticity is always brought up and there are some really good arguments here.
Thirdly, I supposed subconsciously we are all talking about 2010 – 2013 era of when Lana was first discovered. Nowaways, Lana is still emblazoned with her Hollywood sadcore aesthetic and sound, and despite her music continually shifting in style and influence, this is largely how she is typically regarded.
 
It is impossible to say, but gay men are probably not the majority, but certainly a vocal minority (cashcomesquick; sparklrtrailrheaven). Lana del Rey’s music isn’t exclusively enjoyed by queer men, but it is a negative stereotype, and there are a few factors to this. This is by no means a definitive answer, but from responses I am seeing the following correlations. I’ve noted below who I’ve taken major points from in the brackets. You lil geniuses. 
 
Lana del Rey became associated with queer culture from some of these factors.
 
THE RISE OF THE STEROTYPE
 
·      Lana del Rey’s music rose in popularity despite and against mainstream sound. Her musical style with an original 60s + hip hop style was cool and weird and different (HydroponicWeeds), her lyrical content was relatable and initial-DIY aesthetic countered mainstream female pop-singers. These factors went so far to an extent that she was considered an ‘other’ and outcast, and queer people found an affinity after Lana was ‘othered’ by mainstream media. This also exacerbated by her huge critical and public rejection from the SNL performance.
·      She rose to popularity amongst platforms (such as Tumblr and Myspace) which familiarised a section of her fanbase with her alternative sound for an ‘underground’ ‘undiscovered’ feeling that subverted the way artists were discovered (Pin Up Galore). (Again, a generalisation, but) A stereotype of these users on these platforms at that time considered themselves outcasts – this added to a unified feeling of “we don’t fit” which was a draw card to Lana del Rey (daisy fresh witch).
·      The persecution of the authenticity of Lana del Rey, and her perceived invented life of her ‘persona’ are continually debated and despite huge popularity, album sales, live concerts, and award nominations, Lana is still rejected by mainstream media. Non-conformity, as well as societal outsiders are always attractive, safe and inviting to the queer community, as we see ourselves in them. (gyu)
 
 
THE AFFINITY FOR DEL REY
 
·      Lana writes from a classically feminine perspective, the theatricality of her lyrics and aesthetic of the Born to Die era encompasses glamour and camp, with an unusual commitment to being ‘serious’ and ‘sad’. The meld of influences ticks some classic ‘gay culture’ boxes, including the femme fatale Hollywood trope, Marilyn Munroe appearance, and Golden Age Hollywood — she then exaggerates it all, creating a perfect (campy and gay) storm. (sparklrtrailrheaven; JazzSingrCultLeadr)
·      The tragic and submissive angle is the anthesis of the empowering anthems of the 2010s. An inverse of that, queer people often enjoy strong women, but identity intimately with the passive and demure in regards to being othered or feeling hidden (JazzSingrCultLeadr).
·      Lana del Rey’s music is relatable to and queer community (gasstationkween; GeminiLanaFan). Lana’s music connects with people that are very sensitive, feeling everything a bit too much, and people that have struggled in their lives. Many queer people have struggled at some point, which is why some queer fans are attracted to her resilience, perseverance, and ambivalence to the social norm.
·      Perhaps the biggest factor regarding the themes of her work - Lana’s initial releases presented love as an undying devotion with elements of desperation, doom, death etc. that really didn't fit into the zeitgeist at the time because of shifting discourses (WilshireBoulevard).
·      She is powerful, fresh-out-of-fucks forever singer – “it felt like [she] took the world by storm so nonchalantly!” (Veinsineon). Lana’s appearance, her interaction with her fans, her delivery and work holds an extreme femininity that queer people are attracted to. Whether it be radiating a softer, feminine side that’s attractive or desirable (PARADIXO), a coquettish and fun indulgence of hyperfeminitiy (Neptune) or her powerful and vulnerable radiating of power (trashmagiq), her energy is simply inspiring.
 
 
Thanks everyone for your extremely interesting and diverse answers (so far?). It's so good to be able to pinpoint some of this as (despite any misgivings...) Lana truly is an icon of our time and these stereotypes have been present since I've been a fan but not totally sure why.
 
@@WilshireBoulevard your post is so brilliant I haven't finished digesting it yet. Also @JazzSingrCultLeadr, simply brilliantly insightful.

She should've released the solo Beautiful People version on LFL or HM.

K Gerald 
 

Unfortunately, in order to win the record needs to actually be released. So good luck, Lana!

@mods @@admin can you move this to the fan made audio section to prevent heart attacks.

I apologise if anyone is offended by the word ‘queer’. When I heard it first used I was little thrown too but in academia the word ‘queer’ (in terms of queer theory) is used to refer to a spectrum that is all inclusive and anyone can position themselves on. It also encompasses all genders and sexuality, and avoids labelling specifics that could cause offence, and is also inclusive to anyone who is discovering who they are.
 
First and foremost – no one picks to like a singer because they’re considered a queer icon, a woman singing about men, or out of obligation (Creyk, Bob Renoir de Monet, Tristesse). There is a clear trend of loving the music because it’s GOOD music. J  (heroinbeaches)
 
The second thing will do is clarify that my positionally is as a white, gay, cis-male who is scrappy and young(ish) but relatively well off. I’ve definitely been through some growing pains and experienced othering like many in the queer community, but the following is largely moulded into the perspectives from and for queer men. I would love to invite anyone else to synthesise the same about the female perspective – the rejection of Lana as an icon and the debate of authenticity is always brought up and there are some really good arguments here.
Thirdly, I supposed subconsciously we are all talking about 2010 – 2013 era of when Lana was first discovered. Nowaways, Lana is still emblazoned with her Hollywood sadcore aesthetic and sound, and despite her music continually shifting in style and influence, this is largely how she is typically regarded.
 
It is impossible to say, but gay men are probably not the majority, but certainly a vocal minority (cashcomesquick; sparklrtrailrheaven). Lana del Rey’s music isn’t exclusively enjoyed by queer men, but it is a negative stereotype, and there are a few factors to this. This is by no means a definitive answer, but from responses I am seeing the following correlations. I’ve noted below who I’ve taken major points from in the brackets. You lil geniuses. 
 
Lana del Rey became associated with queer culture from some of these factors.
 
THE RISE OF THE STEROTYPE
 
·      Lana del Rey’s music rose in popularity despite and against mainstream sound. Her musical style with an original 60s + hip hop style was cool and weird and different (HydroponicWeeds), her lyrical content was relatable and initial-DIY aesthetic countered mainstream female pop-singers. These factors went so far to an extent that she was considered an ‘other’ and outcast, and queer people found an affinity after Lana was ‘othered’ by mainstream media. This also exacerbated by her huge critical and public rejection from the SNL performance.
·      She rose to popularity amongst platforms (such as Tumblr and Myspace) which familiarised a section of her fanbase with her alternative sound for an ‘underground’ ‘undiscovered’ feeling that subverted the way artists were discovered (Pin Up Galore). (Again, a generalisation, but) A stereotype of these users on these platforms at that time considered themselves outcasts – this added to a unified feeling of “we don’t fit” which was a draw card to Lana del Rey (daisy fresh witch).
·      The persecution of the authenticity of Lana del Rey, and her perceived invented life of her ‘persona’ are continually debated and despite huge popularity, album sales, live concerts, and award nominations, Lana is still rejected by mainstream media. Non-conformity, as well as societal outsiders are always attractive, safe and inviting to the queer community, as we see ourselves in them. (gyu)
 
 
THE AFFINITY FOR DEL REY
 
·      Lana writes from a classically feminine perspective, the theatricality of her lyrics and aesthetic of the Born to Die era encompasses glamour and camp, with an unusual commitment to being ‘serious’ and ‘sad’. The meld of influences ticks some classic ‘gay culture’ boxes, including the femme fatale Hollywood trope, Marilyn Munroe appearance, and Golden Age Hollywood — she then exaggerates it all, creating a perfect (campy and gay) storm. (sparklrtrailrheaven; JazzSingrCultLeadr)
·      The tragic and submissive angle is the anthesis of the empowering anthems of the 2010s. An inverse of that, queer people often enjoy strong women, but identity intimately with the passive and demure in regards to being othered or feeling hidden (JazzSingrCultLeadr).
·      Lana del Rey’s music is relatable to and queer community (gasstationkween; GeminiLanaFan). Lana’s music connects with people that are very sensitive, feeling everything a bit too much, and people that have struggled in their lives. Many queer people have struggled at some point, which is why some queer fans are attracted to her resilience, perseverance, and ambivalence to the social norm.
·      Perhaps the biggest factor regarding the themes of her work - Lana’s initial releases presented love as an undying devotion with elements of desperation, doom, death etc. that really didn't fit into the zeitgeist at the time because of shifting discourses (WilshireBoulevard).
·      She is powerful, fresh-out-of-fucks forever singer – “it felt like [she] took the world by storm so nonchalantly!” (Veinsineon). Lana’s appearance, her interaction with her fans, her delivery and work holds an extreme femininity that queer people are attracted to. Whether it be radiating a softer, feminine side that’s attractive or desirable (PARADIXO), a coquettish and fun indulgence of hyperfeminitiy (Neptune) or her powerful and vulnerable radiating of power (trashmagiq), her energy is simply inspiring.
 
 
Thanks everyone for your extremely interesting and diverse answers (so far?). It's so good to be able to pinpoint some of this as (despite any misgivings...) Lana truly is an icon of our time and these stereotypes have been present since I've been a fan but not totally sure why.
 
@@WilshireBoulevard your post is so brilliant I haven't finished digesting it yet. Also @JazzSingrCultLeadr, simply brilliantly insightful.

I really dont understand the point in showing us songs we will never get?...with the album due soon she should be teasing that. Why bother showing us 1 minute of a track not making the cut? so pointless.

I apologise if anyone is offended by the word ‘queer’. When I heard it first used I was little thrown too but in academia the word ‘queer’ (in terms of queer theory) is used to refer to a spectrum that is all inclusive and anyone can position themselves on. It also encompasses all genders and sexuality, and avoids labelling specifics that could cause offence, and is also inclusive to anyone who is discovering who they are.
 
First and foremost – no one picks to like a singer because they’re considered a queer icon, a woman singing about men, or out of obligation (Creyk, Bob Renoir de Monet, Tristesse). There is a clear trend of loving the music because it’s GOOD music. J  (heroinbeaches)
 
The second thing will do is clarify that my positionally is as a white, gay, cis-male who is scrappy and young(ish) but relatively well off. I’ve definitely been through some growing pains and experienced othering like many in the queer community, but the following is largely moulded into the perspectives from and for queer men. I would love to invite anyone else to synthesise the same about the female perspective – the rejection of Lana as an icon and the debate of authenticity is always brought up and there are some really good arguments here.
Thirdly, I supposed subconsciously we are all talking about 2010 – 2013 era of when Lana was first discovered. Nowaways, Lana is still emblazoned with her Hollywood sadcore aesthetic and sound, and despite her music continually shifting in style and influence, this is largely how she is typically regarded.
 
It is impossible to say, but gay men are probably not the majority, but certainly a vocal minority (cashcomesquick; sparklrtrailrheaven). Lana del Rey’s music isn’t exclusively enjoyed by queer men, but it is a negative stereotype, and there are a few factors to this. This is by no means a definitive answer, but from responses I am seeing the following correlations. I’ve noted below who I’ve taken major points from in the brackets. You lil geniuses. 
 
Lana del Rey became associated with queer culture from some of these factors.
 
THE RISE OF THE STEROTYPE
 
·      Lana del Rey’s music rose in popularity despite and against mainstream sound. Her musical style with an original 60s + hip hop style was cool and weird and different (HydroponicWeeds), her lyrical content was relatable and initial-DIY aesthetic countered mainstream female pop-singers. These factors went so far to an extent that she was considered an ‘other’ and outcast, and queer people found an affinity after Lana was ‘othered’ by mainstream media. This also exacerbated by her huge critical and public rejection from the SNL performance.
·      She rose to popularity amongst platforms (such as Tumblr and Myspace) which familiarised a section of her fanbase with her alternative sound for an ‘underground’ ‘undiscovered’ feeling that subverted the way artists were discovered (Pin Up Galore). (Again, a generalisation, but) A stereotype of these users on these platforms at that time considered themselves outcasts – this added to a unified feeling of “we don’t fit” which was a draw card to Lana del Rey (daisy fresh witch).
·      The persecution of the authenticity of Lana del Rey, and her perceived invented life of her ‘persona’ are continually debated and despite huge popularity, album sales, live concerts, and award nominations, Lana is still rejected by mainstream media. Non-conformity, as well as societal outsiders are always attractive, safe and inviting to the queer community, as we see ourselves in them. (gyu)
 
 
THE AFFINITY FOR DEL REY
 
·      Lana writes from a classically feminine perspective, the theatricality of her lyrics and aesthetic of the Born to Die era encompasses glamour and camp, with an unusual commitment to being ‘serious’ and ‘sad’. The meld of influences ticks some classic ‘gay culture’ boxes, including the femme fatale Hollywood trope, Marilyn Munroe appearance, and Golden Age Hollywood — she then exaggerates it all, creating a perfect (campy and gay) storm. (sparklrtrailrheaven; JazzSingrCultLeadr)
·      The tragic and submissive angle is the anthesis of the empowering anthems of the 2010s. An inverse of that, queer people often enjoy strong women, but identity intimately with the passive and demure in regards to being othered or feeling hidden (JazzSingrCultLeadr).
·      Lana del Rey’s music is relatable to and queer community (gasstationkween; GeminiLanaFan). Lana’s music connects with people that are very sensitive, feeling everything a bit too much, and people that have struggled in their lives. Many queer people have struggled at some point, which is why some queer fans are attracted to her resilience, perseverance, and ambivalence to the social norm.
·      Perhaps the biggest factor regarding the themes of her work - Lana’s initial releases presented love as an undying devotion with elements of desperation, doom, death etc. that really didn't fit into the zeitgeist at the time because of shifting discourses (WilshireBoulevard).
·      She is powerful, fresh-out-of-fucks forever singer – “it felt like [she] took the world by storm so nonchalantly!” (Veinsineon). Lana’s appearance, her interaction with her fans, her delivery and work holds an extreme femininity that queer people are attracted to. Whether it be radiating a softer, feminine side that’s attractive or desirable (PARADIXO), a coquettish and fun indulgence of hyperfeminitiy (Neptune) or her powerful and vulnerable radiating of power (trashmagiq), her energy is simply inspiring.
 
 
Thanks everyone for your extremely interesting and diverse answers (so far?). It's so good to be able to pinpoint some of this as (despite any misgivings...) Lana truly is an icon of our time and these stereotypes have been present since I've been a fan but not totally sure why.
 
@@WilshireBoulevard your post is so brilliant I haven't finished digesting it yet. Also @JazzSingrCultLeadr, simply brilliantly insightful.

I got into her when I was in 7th grade and it’s because her music was just so good :’) I didn’t listen to anything that wasn’t on the radio before her, but music wasn’t as important to me then. She’s what made it important to me. I found her thru 1d stan twitter I’m a bisexual woman but I didn’t know that until a few years ago, and I’ve never been attracted to her. I’ve met other gay women who like her, and a lot who absolutely hate her because of what she stands for. In my experience the lesbian community on tumblr is like really obsessed w discourse and so I think a lot of girls don’t like her because of her “problematic” things like the headdress in ride, her name being Lana Del Rey, when she said she didn’t care about feminism etc and like generally her dependence on men in like a “I can’t live without you” kinda way. But to me it seems like they’re just performing that for other people because these aren’t really like.. big issues you could argue. There are more pressing matters lol. What drew me in tho was the femininity as others mentioned and the campiness but I think mostly it was just how heartbroken she sounded and I definitely identified with that. I’ve always been an outcast at school and her music was so beautiful and dramatic it was a great source of escapism. I think that’s why I’m not so much a fan of LFL or NFR I miss the swelling strings and drums and larger than life feel she used to have. I’m not so interested in her as a yoga pants and matcha latte kind of woman but I’m not mad at her for outgrowing that lol. Sorry if this reads really weird I’m super distracted lmao

She do be sayin words tho

Yes! It was the same way with Lady Gaga for me. They were just such, and forgive my use of the word but, enigmas of that time. It felt like they took the world by storm so nonchalantly!

some people like to use queer because it highlights the community and doesn't push it in the shadows, if that makes sense? queer was once seen as (and still is seen as) a bad thing, now they're turning it into something to be proud of and not shy away from. saying you're queer can be an assertion of empowerment and pride for the individual, but a lot of people are not comfortable with using it, and that's okay and very understandable.

Plus, I love using queer bc it's a great midpoint between rigid, overly-specific labels like gay, bi, etc. but it feels a lot less clinical than the LGBT+ acronym

I guess we can agree to disagree. Sharing experiences is always pleasant however

when I joined lanaboards I was very surprised by how many gay men there seemed to be in the fanbase. I was expecting mostly young girls who romanticize Lolita or say they have daddy issues, but I really like how many gay guys are here. I feel very comfortable around gay men, I feel safe here

This is such an interesting topic for me, I can only speak from own experience and perspective, Lana lives her life as she wants to and she’s prone to change ( as we know) but it creates a relatability and likeable personality that I personally relate to. She also sings about themes that a lot of the LGBTQ people relate to and I relate to personally. My favourite albums are Ultraviolence, NFR and honeymoon btw. There is nothing wrong with where she is going I think she is becoming more Lizzy every day which makes me happy that she finally is content at least, I’m sure another break up album is coming tho.

There's this weird aspect of LGBT culture where gay men are preyed on at a young age, usually by older men, thus developing into some sort of worth issue.
I think most people who have experienced this flocked towards lana's music because of the correlation of the two. Lana acknowledging her objectification within the music, but also using it as a super power. I think we all dream about being that powerful

This is an excellent thread and something I think many of us wonder. I am a bisexual young woman and something I noticed, that I hope has some value in the conversation, is that I am not sexually attracted to Lana. And I have almost always been hypersexual. She is the most beautiful women I have ever seen and intelligent and talented, yet I don't want her sexually. And I like it that way. Now, because the fandom is made up of primarily straight women and gay men, maybe there is a correlation between the not being attracted to her? maybe? like we can recognize that she is gorgeous, but we wouldn't want to be involved with her. maybe there needs to be less of a focus on the daddy issues and more focus on mommy issues. if a straight woman and gay man both are attracted to men, maybe we are craving more woman figures in our lives? from a person we respect? idk. 
 
i think the feeling like we don't fit in plays a huuuuuuuge role and might explain why the more Lana has been accepted by the critics and the public, the more fearful we become. we don't want to lose the person that made us embrace our perceived "flaws." Lana gave us comfort in an age where most of us were/are young which can be a scary time to face your sexuality and face the world that may not accept it. maybe that's why we have felt less connected to her since Lust for Life, because critics gave it good reviews. i basically just think the feeling of acceptance and being able to face and even embrace the darker sides of ourself resonates with us. i would like to see if there's a link between campy gay men and lana vs more "traditional" or masculine gay men and lana and what type of traits they look for in a partner. and she talked openly about sad subjects where gay men may have been criticized for talking about the same thing because it's seen as more of a "woman-trait" and society demands more masculinity from them. idk but it's definitely interesting and i liked the responses i've seen so far and can't wait to see what others say

I recall we did another demographic survey a few month ago (I guess) but we never got the results if I'm not wrong   

I was so young when I got into her and I know for me it’s def the extreme femininity that attracted me to her and her music. She just has this energy about her. She was powerful but also vulnerable.