Coloringbooks 13,943 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, lanaismamom said: maybe its the right thread to discuss this - JFK, Starry Eyed, I Don't Wanna Go and Wild One are Paradise outtakes? made for her second studio album but during Paradise sessions? outtakes for both projects? (not included Hollywood as this was recorded after Paradise was released) we have this discussion for forever but never got any clarification and always had a large space for speculations on this theme - we need answers finally Wellllll… according to Lana Wiki: I Don't Wanna Go - leaked in October 2012 JFK - recorded in 2012 Starry Eyed - recorded in 2012 Hollywood - recorded in December 2012 (a month after Paradise's release) I'm not sure whether we have exact dates for JFK or Starry Eyed and furthermore I wasn't a fan back then, but I've always been a believer that the untouchable 5 are early UV tracks. 7 Quote I live for the visions I can't see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,538 Posted December 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Coloringbooks said: Wellllll… according to Lana Wiki: I Don't Wanna Go - leaked in October 2012 JFK - recorded in 2012 Starry Eyed - recorded in 2012 Hollywood - recorded in December 2012 (a month after Paradise's release) I'm not sure whether we have exact dates for JFK or Starry Eyed and furthermore I wasn't a fan back then, but I've always been a believer that the untouchable 5 are early UV tracks. i mean ya i also thought them to be early UV sound as they all sound similar like they were made for one project but different from paradise 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeminiLanaFan 48,883 Posted December 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, lanaismamom said: oh yeah for sure these songs wasnt meant for UV as we have it released, she had experemental sessions until like may-june 2013 so these songs are just seek of sound, but it techically would be UV outtakes just because they arent paradise outtakes which sessions ended in september 2012 the least, sure there another TROPICO EP which was supposed to include more songs, yeah thats an arbitrary question, but i just need to know if these 4 songs ever meant to be include in paradise or this was the beggining and seek of sound for further record To me, they were part of a new album to come. When she commented on the leak, she did say that there were songs that were meant for the next record. I don’t know if, back then, she needed to have a couple of songs under her belt that could be part of a new album, like she did with UV, HM and so on. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HigherThanHope 690 Posted December 28, 2022 It's difficult (impossible, even) for us to say - and who cares. The fact is it's pointless trying to separate out anything into Paradise vs. Tropico vs. Pre-UV vs. true UV outtakes. She recorded so much so quickly and they were all in consideration anyway ... even HM is difficult to separate outtakes out for, since she basically never stopped recording in such a short time period. Organizing 2012-2015 into 3+ different projects... Too difficult 😂 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veinsineon 76,384 Posted December 28, 2022 California Living Legend Cult Leader Dark City Unidentified Flying Bill Dragonslayer Nectar Of The Gods West Coast (Demo) I Talk To Jesus Fine China Say Yes To Heaven (Demo 2) Cherry Blossom Angels Forever, Forever Angels + Summer Wine + Chelsea Hotel No. 2 + Summertime (Mitchell Cover) theres your trans am and as far as tropico EP I am betting Black Leather Moonlight JFK You & The Sun Starry Eyed were all originally intended for that 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,538 Posted December 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Veinsineon said: California Living Legend Cult Leader Dark City Unidentified Flying Bill Dragonslayer Nectar Of The Gods West Coast (Demo) I Talk To Jesus Say Yes To Heaven (Demo 2) Cherry Blossom Angels Forever, Forever Angels theres your trans am and as far as tropico EP I am betting Black Leather Moonlight JFK You & The Sun Starry Eyed were all originally intended for that which leaves Your Girl Piano Theme Morricone Fine China SYTH ”Aurebach’s” Version as Early UV? for tropico EP there were only I Talk to Jesus Paradise version, Money Power Glory late 2012 version and Black beauty confirmed, none of that songs were never confirmed to be on tropico 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Grants 13,474 Posted December 28, 2022 I just like to pretend Paradise could’ve been a full record and if it was it would be her best or at least her top 3 11 Quote and also for giving me Margaret Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Get Drunk 17,956 Posted December 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Veinsineon said: theres your trans am Regarding trans am, do we have any information on this at all other than the initial photo? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bored 7,935 Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, kaliuchis said: I just like to pretend Paradise could’ve been a full record and if it was it would be her best or at least her top 3 Honestly this... 01. Ride 02. Angels Forever, Forever Angels 03. Hollywood 04. American 05. Cola 06. Body Electric 07. Gods And Monsters 08. Yayo 09. Burning Desire 10. Guns And Roses 11. Black Beauty 12. Bel Air 13. Young And Beautiful (Bonus Track) 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unknown 3,173 Posted December 28, 2022 The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight and Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful, American and Body Electric by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is. 26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,538 Posted December 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Unknown said: The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight and Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful, American and Body Electric by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is. absolute supremacy omg thank u so much 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloringbooks 13,943 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Unknown said: The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight and Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful, American and Body Electric by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is. Now that's a plot twist omg?! I wonder where people got the December date for Hollywood from 4 Quote I live for the visions I can't see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanaismamom 11,538 Posted December 28, 2022 the way @Unknownjust comes through and revealing mysteries one after one is just too iconic thank u so much 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psychedelic Pussy 30,105 Posted December 28, 2022 This made me realise that for a lot of her albums she’s written them and then basically shelved it and rewritten most, if not all of the record. BTD we had tons of outtakes and demos UV we basically had a completely different album we could’ve gotten, I’d say the same with LFL. I wonder if that explains the dip in quality of her last 2 albums? i know there was originally “rock candy sweet” but I feel like we just ended up missing out on what was intended as the title track, and got most if not all of the other stuff intended for RCS 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rancidgirl 5,265 Posted December 28, 2022 On 9/2/2018 at 2:16 PM, partymonster said: a while ago i saw a thread on twitter along the lines of how there was supposedly another album recorded before ultraviolence and it would apparently include JFK, angels forever and the old version of black beauty. i don't know if i remember correctly but does anyone know if this was even true lol super late and someone probably already told u but this is tropico, it was rumoredly supposed to be its own album before being shortened down to a 4 track ep & movie iirc 4 Quote the last rancid girl in a rancid world and i don't seem to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rancidgirl 5,265 Posted December 28, 2022 looking thru this thread i am superr late to that comment 3 Quote the last rancid girl in a rancid world and i don't seem to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the ocean 67,597 Posted December 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Veinsineon said: and as far as tropico EP I am betting Black Leather Moonlight JFK You & The Sun Starry Eyed were all originally intended for that i’d probably add I Don’t Wanna Go since it was a paradise reject and it’s from the same general time period - she loves reusing her outtakes lol 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veinsineon 76,384 Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, the ocean said: i’d probably add I Don’t Wanna Go since it was a paradise reject and it’s from the same general time period - she loves reusing her outtakes lol I just call IDWG Black Leather Moonlight 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venice Peach 54,289 Posted December 28, 2022 My theory (from my thoughts and what we have info about) is that she wanted the followup of BTD to be a full album with the Paradise tracks + the early UV songs and name it Tropico (I think honeymouns said this) but the label rushed her to rerelease BTD instead with fewer songs and that's what we got (and that's probably why she didn't record all the songs until after P release) She released the Tropico EP just to use the name and get her way and since BB, JFK & co. leaked she scrapped the whole concept and moved on to the final UV 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yes To Heaven 3,700 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Unknown said: The leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight and Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful, American and Body Electric by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is. Starry Eyed follows the same structure as Tonight/JFK so it is mostly a Paradise outtake I have a feeling all of these were considered for UV and not for Paradise as she recorded a lot of mixes for them. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites