Blue Banisters - Pre-Pre-Release Thread

[lanasbottom 23,694]

9 minutes ago, scarlettohara said:

People literally bought the album  streams only matter for fads

yes  

Spoiler

if we’re acting like the sales weren’t tragic too

 

[War In My Mind 2,999]

53 minutes ago, CinnamonGay said:

I woke up. I had a dream. I am serious 

 

Lana said "the album is coming . Be patient. It will drop on the expected date. It will have alot of oceanic vibes and moonlight vibes. It will be a night time album."

 

 

And then I saw a publication reporting about the release of her album..

 

The Martin Luther King of the Clowns (Lana fan name (derogatory) of which I am also)

[Vertimus 9,547]

14 hours ago, IanadeIrey said:

I think it’s so weird too, because Lana has never really spoken negatively of her past records. She’s always defended her own honour and work, so it’s always rubbed me the wrong way when stans create a hierarchy of her records. I relate more to NFR and COTCC in terms of my life experiences in relation to Lana’s, for example, but I’ve never invalidated her past records or thought that her past records were “problematic/traumatic” looking back. It’s Lana’s authentic work, so I absolutely loathe the weird entitlement/ownership some fans take on when it comes to them. As for Lana being the writer, she is completely free to identify/not identify with her records as she moves on in her life - but I don’t think that gives fans the right to pass judgement on the albums themselves, because they don’t have the lived experience that Lana does - we’re experiencing her life story within the records as outsiders, at the end of the day. 

Most people who attempt to 'cancel' artists, celebrities and other public figures today are petty nobodies who want power, now that they've seen that they've achieved a modicum of it. They have little sense of psychology, history, the history of the Arts, or our American laws; nor do they have respect for any of those. They are motivated by that drive for power as well as their emotions and a false, inflated sense of self stemming from the fact that they lack a genuine sense of themselves as worthwhile.

 

You're 100% correct about "the weird entitlement/ownership" some people adopt in relation to artists and others. We know a great deal about LDR but there's a massive continent of information that we don't know and never will. So we can make generalized statements--guesses, really--about why she might have taken this or that action,  or more specific guesses based on specific things she's said or done publicly, but let's face, we're all a mystery to one another. Almost 60 years after her death, educated specialists in various fields are still trying to fathom the mind, life and actions of Marilyn Monroe. The same is true of Billie Holiday, James Dean, Sam Cooke, Elvis, Marvin Gaye, Jeff Buckley and still-living figures like Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan. 

 

It's okay to speculate, and fun, but everyone should keep in mind that few if any of us know LDR as a friend or acquaintance, which, if true, would probably give us a little more insight into who she is. But no one should be condemning or attempting to ostracize her, or destroy her career or back catalog. Humble yourself and realize all you don't know. 

 

Just yesterday an IG site played a clip of Lana and Jack in the studio, and the poster believed it proved the NFR! title track and 'Dark But Just A Game' were once the same song. Maybe it's true, I didn't see proof of that in the video presented. 

 

As Joni Mitchell said long ago in 'Sweet Bird'; change 'they' to 'we' or 'I.': 

 

No one knows
They can never get that close
Guesses at most
Guesses based on what each set
Of time and change is touching…

 

 

[FineChaiNa 467]

I saw tracklist guesses and wanna throw mine in because why tf not haha

 

Blue Banisters

July Just For Me (I’ll Always Be Free)

Dressing Down in Motown

Textbook

Back To LA (interlude)

Ramshackle Rain

Geraldine

Wildflower Wildfire

Hand to God

Wild Nights

Thunder

Nowhere To Go But Down

Jupiter

Bonus tracks:

Angels for Angelina//Cherry Blossom

I Hate This

 

 

I see it as something that builds progressively with instruments and production and from WW onward we see newer textures in the sound come in. I don't know why I have this feeling that she'd speak a bit more about the issues with her mother - Dressing Down in Motown as something where she dressed as other women to make up for the shifty ladies in her early life idk 

Oh and I know she's never said much for Emily Dickinson but Wild Nights as inspiration would be something cool

[Three White Butterflies 27,473]

it's friday she has to post something right? RIGHT????

 

 

[CinnamonGay 10,527]

25 minutes ago, lanasbottom said:

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if we’re acting like the sales weren’t tragic too

 

 

There is a discrepancy... rolling stone reports it as 98k debut in US.

 

Idk how Billboard says 78k

[GeminiLanaFan 48,965]

Just now, cru3lworld said:

it's friday she has to post something right? RIGHT????

 

 

Maybe this weekend? Or very late tonight? Unless we learn about the album by Eclipse or BoZ and she then posts about it when it’s already out? 

[FineChaiNa 467]

2 hours ago, shady said:

She was wearing a mall dress and looked more conservative and mature than her Hedy Lamarr edition.

 

Did you forget what she wore the night before the mall dress?

 

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5 minutes ago, CinnamonGay said:

 

There is a discrepancy... rolling stone reports it as 98k debut in US.

 

Idk how Billboard says 78k

someone explained it to me a few weeks ago but i don’t remember… i think it has something to do with the way they count sales or something like that (?) but either way both are kinda weak 

[prettywhenimhigh 49,312]

5 hours ago, hashtagtylerh said:

been reading more and this article literally links to those troll/parody/cover videos "Yusuf Bhactiar" makes instead of the actual songs... LOL

 

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/lana-del-rey-three-new-songs/

 

omg!!! yes!!! the legend is finally getting the recognition they deserve!! 

[CinnamonGay 10,527]

6 minutes ago, lanasbottom said:

someone explained it to me a few weeks ago but i don’t remember… i think it has something to do with the way they count sales or something like that (?) but either way both are kinda weak 

 

98k isnt weak for LDR for an album with minimal promo barring few interviews and 2 videos...

 

Katy sold at 50k

Dua at 66k.

 

LFL 108k

Norman sold 104k with the wildest promo and hype 

98k is GREAT for a slow  mood album like chem with 0 bangers. 

[everymanhashiswish 884]

15 minutes ago, FineChaiNa said:

 

Did you forget what she wore the night before the mall dress?

 

This is so gorgeous to me  how've I never seen it before

[BluebirdXO 7,679]

18 minutes ago, FineChaiNa said:

 

Did you forget what she wore the night before the mall dress?

 

 

I like the mall dress a little bit more 

 

It just needed to be tailored

[White Hot Forever 4,220]

17 minutes ago, CinnamonGay said:

LFL 108k

Norman sold 104k with the wildest promo and hype 

98k is GREAT for a slow  mood album like chem with 0 bangers. 

 

Not to mention most of the LFL and NFR merch came with digital downloads that counted towards sales

 

[CinnamonGay 10,527]

7 minutes ago, White Hot Forever said:

 

Not to mention most of the LFL and NFR merch came with digital downloads that counted towards sales

 

 

Exactly. NFR had the tour bundle as well which counted for sales.

 

COCC didnt do as badly as people seem to think. 

 

Also I'm here for the more open vocals. NFR had alot of closed mouth singing. 

Her vocals shine on these new tracks. I was stunned by Summertime and YNWA too.

[lanasbottom 23,694]

28 minutes ago, CinnamonGay said:

 

98k isnt weak for LDR for an album with minimal promo barring few interviews and 2 videos...

 

Katy sold at 50k

Dua at 66k.

 

LFL 108k

Norman sold 104k with the wildest promo and hype 

98k is GREAT for a slow  mood album like chem with 0 bangers. 

it kinda is tho. it’s sales are closer to 79k than 98k and both are well below her usual sales. the difference is her other albums have GREAT streams. cocc will never have a billion streams not even in 20 years. and streams do show that no one really cares for cocc but heavily cares for her other albums (she should take this as a clear indicator). 

katy isn’t really an argument either, she has been a massive flop for half a decade now and literally no one cares about her anymore. even honeymoon outsold smile’s first week sales like 3 times. 

the sales aren’t that tragic considering how messy and inexistent the era as a whole was and it’s genre yes, but they are still her lowest ever by far. and seeing how things are going the next sales will be twice as bad. we’re in the streaming age now, sales are unfortunately less important than streams and her recent streams are really really really bad. either way she has to come up with something quick cause this is just all around tragic, not just sales wise but era wise too. as i said before, lackluster music/eras and complete silence won’t keep her going forever….

[DCooper 36,891]

Lana is established and iconic enough to not worry too much about streams and sales anymore. Her fan base is massive and she's going for a legacy long beyond her lifetime, not immediate success on the pop charts. She is going to be fine. I am so grateful that she cares way more about creating timeless art than keeping up with current trends.

 

People can complain all they want about her recent music being "boring" but quick reactions like that are irrelevant in the long run, Chemtrails and the three new singles we've gotten are beautiful art that will age very well and be regarded as important moments in her creative output. 

[Furor Poeticus 16,320]

56 minutes ago, FineChaiNa said:

I Hate This

Me during this entire pre-release

[lanasbottom 23,694]

4 minutes ago, DCooper said:

Chemtrails and the three new singles we've gotten are beautiful art that will age very well and be regarded as important moments in her creative output. 

 

[Vertimus 9,547]

6 minutes ago, DCooper said:

Lana is established and iconic enough to not worry too much about streams and sales anymore. Her fan base is massive and she's going for a legacy long beyond her lifetime, not immediate success on the pop charts. She is going to be fine. I am so grateful that she cares way more about creating timeless art than keeping up with current trends.

 

People can complain all they want about her recent music being "boring" but quick reactions like that are irrelevant in the long run, Chemtrails and the three new singles we've gotten are beautiful art that will age very well and be regarded as important moments in her creative output. 

Look at her LFL tour: massive crowds everywhere. I agree 100%.