Snow on the Beach (featuring More Lana Del Rey) to be released on Taylor Swift's 'Midnights' (Til Dawn Edition) - OUT NOW

[prettywhenimhigh 49,330]

1 minute ago, GeminiLanaFan said:

I don’t necessarily see a Taylor collab as « exposure », rather than an secure hit, which would certainly please Interscope without having to « compromise » the vision of the next album (as in: if the album does poorly, at least she still got big numbers out of that collab)

 

I completely understand your point, but idk. I feel like the label at this point is completely fine with her albums not making huge numbers because her fanbase is very solid

like she gets to release a 9 min song for a single, if her career and fanbase weren't solid enough that wouldn't have happened (I think).

I feel like lana doesn't need any of that anymore

[ShadesOfFool 20,139]

[lanasbottom 23,694]

wondering if i can lose more respect for lana due to this possible collab than i did after qftc/the rest of 2020 

 

I’m perched. 

 

[GeminiLanaFan 49,047]

3 minutes ago, Mer said:

given we can actually hear Lana’s vocals. Up until Phoebe Bridgers, Taylor’s female “collaborators” were glorified background vocals. 
 

Also, recently, Taylor’s “lead” singles are the ones that pull the numbers (ATW10, Cardigan, Willow) and I’m not sure if she’ll ever make a collab a lead. 
 

I think this will be a deeper cut for the overlap of Taylor and Lana’s audiences (which is quite big in itself), but I’m not sure if this would be a radio hit or a streaming success. 

You’re totally right that we don’t know if that collab would be a hit or a single (or if even it exists at all ), but I was simply basing it on the fact that Taylor is the biggest female singer and that unless the song is pure trash, even « casual streaming » (don’t think it’s a thing but you get the idea) of the song could get big numbers 

[GeminiLanaFan 49,047]

3 minutes ago, prettywhenimhigh said:

 

I completely understand your point, but idk. I feel like the label at this point is completely fine with her albums not making huge numbers because her fanbase is very solid

like she gets to release a 9 min song for a single, if her career and fanbase weren't solid enough that wouldn't have happened (I think).

I feel like lana doesn't need any of that anymore

It’s a total mystery, how her company sees her, if she is « successful enough » in their mind. You could be totally right.

 

one thing is for sure, they probably consider her an oddball… and yet, she keeps on surprising everyone.

i imagine one big Zoom meeting of all the execs at Interscope, talking about future releases (or whatever happens in those meetings) and discussing Lana  : « Meanwhile, Lana is doing better than ever on Spotify without any new releases, no big social media presence and an album that wasn’t even top 5 last year » 

[brandon 13,317]

1 hour ago, lanasbottom said:

wondering if i can lose more respect for lana due to this possible collab than i did after qftc/the rest of 2020 

what a ridiculously stupid thing to say, honestly 

 

1 hour ago, Mer said:

Also, recently, Taylor’s “lead” singles are the ones that pull the numbers (ATW10, Cardigan, Willow) and I’m not sure if she’ll ever make a collab a lead. 

 also i get what you’re saying and i definitely don’t think a lana collab would be the lead but  let’s not forget Lover’s lead single was a collab with… brendon urie  so anythings possible really!

[lanasbottom 23,694]

Just now, brandon said:

what a stupidly ridiculous thing to say, honestly 

Don’t see what’s stupid about not wanting your fav to work with a fake and generic money machine who spent a big chunk of her career ripping off said fav but sure 

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36 minutes ago, lanasbottom said:

Don’t see what’s stupid about not wanting your fav to work with a fake and generic money machine who spent a big chunk of her career ripping off said fav but sure 

lana did not even break onto the scene until 5-6 years into taylor's career & other than "wildest dreams" & "cardigan" taylor has not even taken much inspiration from lana let alone ripped her off. they have both taken inspiration from many of the same musicians throughout their careers like bob dylan, the beatles & fleetwood mac. being inspired by the same old musicians is not ripping each other off. many modern musicians look to the same old ones for inspiration. we can dislike another musician while still being civil. we would not like if someone made the same accusation about lana.

[PatentLeatherDoOver 25,783]

43 minutes ago, i talk to jesus said:

we can dislike another musician while still being civil. we would not like if someone made the same accusation about lana.

I feel similarly as well, and while Taylor’s artistry does have a large business influence, that really goes for most mainstream artists, including those Lana has worked with in the past. Also, although this is subjective, I’d argue that Swift’s music—while generally easily digestible for the general public—hasn’t really been too generic as of late.
 

Like, The Last Great American Dynasty by Swift, for instance, is pretty atypical content for both her discography and most pop music. She may not be my favorite artist ever, but she—in my opinion—makes easily listenable music that often has intricately intertwined narratives if examined closely (particularly with her last few releases)…not to mention her lyricism for last 2 albums has been insanely specific. 

 

I also completely agree about the “ripping off” part. I mean, it’s fairly normal (almost inevitable, really) for artists to borrow and repurpose elements of other musicians’ art. I mean, Lana’s influence on Taylor’s music is certainly there, but I’d argue there are only a handful of songs that mirror Lana’s. Not only that, but Lana’s artistry has strong ties to nostalgia and harkening back to the essence of different eras of music spawned from artists she admires. Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen are great examples of this. 

 

Even though I rarely like collabs, as long as the potential track turns out well, I don’t mind at all

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Making a collab just to increase your own "success" is like selling your soul  and Lana herself would probably never do something like that (and she doesn't need it). But it's true that both have a very similar style at the moment, which fits or could fit well together.

[regattasinthewind 1,619]

1 hour ago, brandon said:

also i get what you’re saying and i definitely don’t think a lana collab would be the lead but  let’s not forget Lover’s lead single was a collab with… brendon urie  so anythings possible really!

Taylor has been absolutely terrible at single choices since 1989 so I would not be surprised if the she makes the rumored Ed Sheeran () collab a single rather than the Lana one

 

But you never know. Even if it's an album track, knowing Taylor, it's still gonna pull insane numbers 

[star Iux 5,983]

Why are people complaining about this, even if it's bad it's not going to be on LDR9 so who cares

[lanasbottom 23,694]

1 hour ago, i talk to jesus said:

lana did not even break onto the scene until 5-6 years into taylor's career & other than "wildest dreams" & "cardigan" taylor has not even taken much inspiration from lana let alone ripped her off. they have both taken inspiration from many of the same musicians throughout their careers like bob dylan, the beatles & fleetwood mac. being inspired by the same old musicians is not ripping each other off. many modern musicians look to the same old ones for inspiration. we can dislike another musician while still being civil. we would not like if someone made the same accusation about lana.

i mean making the same song, basically same chorus and production is kinda the definition of ripping someone off but even besides that Taylor is just peak fake, all around nasty on top of generic music wise, qualities Lana really doesn’t need, she has her LA friends for that 

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@lanasbottom are you still here? Don't you have a hobby? Or a friend beside Alexa? Why don't you join to your "lovely" BeyHives and share your "thoughts" there 

[Semafori 1,516]

Yall care way too much about people who dont even know you exist

[lanasbottom 23,694]

12 hours ago, sad angel forever said:

@lanasbottom are you still here? Don't you have a hobby? Or a friend beside Alexa? Why don't you join to your "lovely" BeyHives and share your "thoughts" there 

Sure am bitch and you can stay mad 

why don’t you go pick up a grammar book and mind your business newbie 

[Cherry Blossom 21,547]

i really hope this is true. my two favourites. would be such a dream come to true for me 

[Venice Peach 54,293]

1 hour ago, lanasbottom said:

Sure am bitch and you can stay mad 

why don’t you go pick up a grammar book and mind your business newbie 

You have a severe case of Regina George syndrome  

[yayoop 4,601]

I would fucking cry OF PURE JOY. MY HEART WOULD SING. What a way to merge the bleeding universes of Lana and TSwizzle and the “copycat beef” people have pushed for years

 

im here for it, pls let it happen 

[yayoop 4,601]

Also adding I’ve noted over the years that Taylor’s collaborations with women are generally song writing and background vocals, whereas her male collaborators generally have a more prominent role in a song (generally beyond just a verse feature) but I think this is more to do with them fulfilling a more heteronormative role as a counterpart to Taylor - obviously since she generally writes about her personal relationships. She did have a song on a RedTV  vaulted song with a female collaborator who had more of a prominent role in the song beyond just background vocals so there is always a chance Lana could be the same but I don’t know. Anyways I’m going off the track (HBTB) 

so TLDR: if there’s a Lana feature my guess is that it’s more of a songwriting collab and/or background vocals and harmonies

 

altho I would be lying if I said I don’t want a “Breaking Up Slowly” styled collab, or even “Dance til we die” embrace that 60’s Nancy Sinatra jazz country gurls