June Gloom

Only 5 left btw…

I want the B-sides so f*cking bad 

Lana touring is and absolutely would be profitable.. I rly doubt it's even a driving factor behind her not touring recently

let's not forget lana released a whole new album and a new single in 2023 while beyoncé's last release is renaissance that was already almost a year ago, aside from some remixes. it's only natural that lana gets more daily streams when she has a whole new record out lol 

this is huge and we should be happy for her!! lana isn't even on social media anymore and she's not moving an inch to promote her work
we all know beyoncé is a queen and a force since her overall numbers are bigger than the spotify streams, we shouldn't compare both because they're completely different from each other but this is proof lana's art and legacy is long lasting and will only be appreciated more and more as time goes by. 10 years ago no one would ever think this is possible
 

I don’t think it means much. While she may have more monthly listeners, I am not certain she could sell out a stadium the way Beyoncé can. Such comparisons are frivolous at best and inflammatory at worst. Though, I digress from my belief, in that the statistics are interesting. 
 
I just hope Lana’s cashing those checks and buying herself pretty things. 

omg i meant the honeymoon outtake

Not really 😭 other than the fact that Rick Rubin produced a rock version of Body Electric while he was working on Ride 

There could be more but these are the only ones I know of: 
Honeymoon: Freak, Blackest Day, Say Yes To Heaven, God Knows I Tried, I Can Fly
Ultraviolence: West Coast (demo/radio mix), Fine China, Your Girl
 

Having a song called Paradise that's similar to a song from an EP called Paradise while having another song called Paradise definitely seems confusing...

yes, yes we do

The fact she created 3 of the best songs of her career for COTCC and then just stopped

I think all the quiet songs from Norman made their way onto Blue Banisters / COTCC

Here, we discuss about the writing/recording sessions, production, lyrics, collaborators, outtakes, visuals, themes and the behind of scenes of making of albums "Norman Fucking Rockwell!" and "Chemtrails Over The Country Club".
 
Already starting in 2017, Lana's creative process began to take a slightly different direction, completely changing with the meeting of Jack Antonoff - one of the main producers of the next five years, and now we will try to tell you how Lana's creative process went with the new producer.
 
A complete sound change in early 2018 is preceded by a six-month period in Lana's work, during which she had a writer's block and had few new ideas coming to her until late 2017, and because of that her creative journey had several paths to follow:
 
1. The release of a follow-up album to "Lust for Life, which was to include an original version of the song "Best American Record", "Silverlake" and other "Lust for Life" outtakes. Those plans were canceled after a Jack Antonoff meeting in very early 2018;
 
2. To continue working on the sixth album (which would later become "Norman Fucking Rockwell!") with Rick Nowels. So, during this period several songs were made: "Bartender" (which would later become part of the sixth album) and unknown sessions through the end of 2017, during which a number of unknown tracks were made, one of them - "Get Dark", that was recorded in September 2017.
 
But in January 2018, Lana contacted Jack, and he suggested we "meet, sit down, and just start doing something." Before meeting him, Lana expected him to have some ready-made beat ideas she could use, for Jack's production history is mostly pop-oriented, but Lana would later reveal, ". he spent hours playing chords, and he plays the piano so well that some of the things that he writes, like just melodically, really - it's kind of a classic - and in my case it ended up being more folk-oriented.", "...and in the first week I had two songs that I thought were probably the two best songs that I'd ever written." Here she's probably referring to "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" and "Love Song," which were ready the day Lana and Jack first met (January 29, 2018) *Lana told Vogue Korea in an interview that the process of writing "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" took her 3 years*.

 
For the next year and a half, Lana continued to work on the music exclusively with Jack, describing their process as "(Jack) played me five chords in a row, which ended up becoming a new song each time". Unfortunately, we are almost unaware of the timeline of Lana's creative process on her sixth album, "Norman Fucking Rockwell!", except for the dates of work on the released tracks, which are presented below:
 
- "Venice bitch" (the first version was done in February 2018 [the same version used at the end of the track "Taco Truck x VB"]; the final version was done on June 26, 2018);
- "Norman fucking Rockwell" (the track was reworked from the "Bird World" song, which was made January 29, 2018; final version made June 27, 2018);
- "Happiness is a butterfly" (originally titled "Happiness"; first version was made in March 2018; final version made June 30, 2018);
- "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" (originally called "Sylvia" and "Sylvia Plath"; first version made January 29, 2018; final version made August 4, 2018);
- "Love Song" (first version made January 29, 2018; final version made August 6, 2018);
- "Mariners apartment complex" (originally titled "I'm Your Man"; first version made February 2018; final version made August 31, 2018);
- "Cinnamon Girl" (originally titled "Cinnamon"; first version made October 2018; final version made December 18, 2018);
- "California" (track is a reworking of a song from 2017; final version made January 18, 2019);
- "How to disappear" (first version made in October 2018; final version made January 20, 2019);
- "The greatest" (first version made in 2018/2019; final version made February 13, 2019);
Undisclosed dates:
- "Bartender" (the track was made in 2017 with Rick Nowles; for the first time, Lana revealed the track's existence on January 28, 2018, and said it "does not yet belong on an upcoming record"; the track played on Lana's sister Chuck Grant [Chuck Grant]'s Instagram Stories on May 10, 2018);
- "The Next Best American Record" (a reworked version of the track "Best American Record"; it is unknown when Lana reworked the track and when it became part of her sixth album);
 
RMF Classic Radio on November 3, 2018 once again confirmed what Lana had said on September 18, 2018, that the album was to be released in late March and that there would be 11 tracks on it (which ones are unknown). Also, in December 2018, MTV UK reported that the album would be released on March 29, 2019, and in December, Lana reported that the album was completely finished and also liked an article stating a March release date for the album.

 
Up to March 29th, various information from different sources kept coming in, either denying or confirming the album's release in March. But when March 29th came, the album was not released for unknown reasons.
 
Over the next 5 months, Lana makes two new songs for the record (Doin' Time [April 2019] and Fuck it I love you [July 2019]), and the world premiere of Lana's sixth studio album Norman Fucking Rockwell! took place on August 30, 2019, and songs made during sessions for the album but not included are:
 
- "Not All Who Wonder Are Lost" (originally titled "Wanderlust"; the track was made during the sessions for "Norman Fucking Rockwell!" but the original version was released on the next album, "Chemtrails Over the Country Club");
- "Valley of the Dolls" (concept demo, was made February 14, 2017 during sessions with The Last Shadow Puppets; later sent as a track idea along with some other unknown tracks for revision to Jack Antonoff; the track was never revised by him);
- "LA Who Am I" (snippet; the track was likely made just for fun, and is a reworked version of the track "LA Who Am I to Love You" from 2016);
- "Talking like an Answering Machine" (the song was first listed on Buma/Sterma and there were rumors that the song was not made until 2018; the chances that the song is real and refers to Lana are higher than that the song is unreal);
- "Bombastic" Outtakes (told by Jack Antonoff during an interview that tracks with an "explosive" sound were made during the sessions for the album that remain unleaked);
- Rick Nowels Outtakes (it was revealed that there are songs made by Rick Nowels for the sixth studio album that remain unleaked).
- "Jimmy" part from "A&W" (In an interview for Rolling Stones, Jack Antonoff talked about the process of making "Jimmy" and "that they had created a while back" suggesting that it was made during the NFR sessions).
 
Thank you for the information @lanaismamom 

Freak Me Now easy top 5 of her discog and possible contender for her best song imo... what did she put in this song

Violet Sings The Blues ? 

Honeymoon sessions
September 2014 - December 2014
California Crazy For You Honeymoon Freak Soft Ice Cream (Salvatore) 24 Hours Swan Song Blackest Day Pink Flamingos (Music To Watch Boys To) Dark City  Dead To Me I Can Fly (rework of original 2013 demo) 2015 songs (completed by June 2015)
High By The Beach Terrence Loves You Cry Kill Die Come With Me Paradise If I Die Young Religion Art Deco God Knows I Tried  Other Info
Big Eyes demo is from August 2014
Terrence Loves You had 2 alternate titles, "Jazz N Blues" and "Violet Sings The Blues" 
 

The way she  & Rick created such an amazing body of work,  a literal masterpiece with perfect production in such a short amount of time is insane 
Omg and thank you so much for doing this timeline 

I’m currently making a writing/recording timeline for Honeymoon! if anyone comes across any information please let me know.
This is what I have so far
 
March 2014 - Sessions for Ultraviolence end
 
 
May-June, 2014: In an interview for Complex magazine, Lana notes: "I actually started conceptually thinking about having a supplement, an addition to this record ('Ultraviolence') that could come very easily. That hasn't happened in a very long time. Not since I wrote the "Paradise" to "Born to Die" that I really liked". Thus, it is likely that Lana's fourth project originally started as an accompanying ep to "Ultraviolence", which probably would have consisted of "Ultraviolence" outtakes and some new songs that were recorded in June-July 2014. But by September 2014, it was clear that the project would develop more, when the first sessions for "Honeymoon" started.
 
June 2014 - She records Music To Watch Boys To (Also titled Pink Flamingos)
Interviewer: Are You Going To Record Something Tonight? Do You Know What It Is, Or? Lana: I do, yes I do, I have an idea for a record called 'Music to Watch Boys To', so, yeah, I'm just thinking about it and what it will mean  
Lana began writing music for the soundtrack to "Big Eyes," which includes:
1. An “I Can Fly” rework
2. “Big Eyes."
3. “Beautiful People”
4. “The Good Life” Cover.
 
June 2014: She records Beautiful People (Demo 1)
 
July 30, 2014: She records her cover of “The Good Life”

August 2014 - A demo of Big Eyes is recorded

September 14, 2014 - Sessions for the album begin
 
Sep/November: She records Salvatore/Soft Ice Cream and Swan Song? (They were both recorded at Electric Lady Studios and she was seen on New York on those months)
 
Sep-Dec 2014: Dark City, Crazy For You, California, Honeymoon, 24/24 Hours, Dead To Me, Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood, Freak/Freak Like Me, The Balckest Day and a reworked version of I Can Fly are recorded
 
Latter half of 2014: A new version of Say Yes To Heaven produced by STINT is made, but was scrapped by being "too overwhelming"
 
 
Initially, "Honeymoon" developed more as a pop record, with a return to the "Born to Die" sound. This is indicated by several facts, namely the leaked demos of the tracks "The Blackest Day" and "Freak" (made by the same producer, STINT [Ajay Bhattacharyya]), further, in an October interview for "L'Uomo Vogue," Lana expressed her desire to work with producer Giorgio Moroder, who is considered the father of synth disco and electronic dance music, also one of the mixer/engineers said that the "Honeymoon" demos sounded like the 80s. At the same time, Lana was still searching for a sound: "I'm still looking for something different, with majestic choruses, beautiful orchestrations, '50s-inspired with a little touch of soft grunge." And at some point in the making of the album in 2014, Lana told Rick Nowels, one of the album's two producers, that she wanted to make a jazz album. That's how the tracks "Honeymoon" and "Terrence Loves You" came about, which Rick says are not pure jazz, but her "versions" of jazz tracks (the original title of "Terrence Loves You" was "Jazz and Blues ")
 
Early 2015: Demos of “Say Yes To Heaven” produced by Stephen Kozmeniuk and Tom Neville are made for the album because of a potential Hugo Boss campaign.
Ultimately the song was dropped from Honeymoon because of the campaign and neither version of the song was approved by Hugo Boss.
 
 
January 6 2015: She says she has written 9 songs, “four of which “the production is perfect; I’m looking for a few more songs to tie everything together” and I’m doing a cover of “Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood.” She also reveals the tile of the album
 
January 13, 2015: Lana records Paradise
 
Jan-Feb 2015: Art Deco, Burnt Norton, Terrence Loves You, Come With Me, If I Die Young, Religion, God Knows I Tried/God Knows are recorded 
 
January 28: She is seen entering a recording studio with Mr. Brainwash
 
Jan - February 2015: Lana writes “High By The Beach”, “This was probably one of the last ones on the record”
 
Sometime in 2015: Lana sends a list of songs that need additional production, they were
Crazy For You
Freak
High By The Beach/Get High
God Knows I Tried/God Knows
Honeymoon
Salvatore/Ice Cream
Music To Watch Boys To/Pink Flamingos
Religion
Say Yes To Heaven
Swan Song
 
This means that Crazy For You and Say Yes To Heaven were serious contenders for the album

 

February 16, 2015: Lana says to a fan that she was done with Honeymoon
 
March 31, 2015: On an interview with Mark Ronson he states “I’m going to do some recording with Lana Del Rey today and tomorrow. I found this cool old studio out here.” “She has some songs and I said I had some demo ideas, and if they are any good, then maybe she’ll like them and we’ll go from there.” Later in a Reddit AMA he said “we did an early version of Terrence Loves You which i still love.”
 
June 24, 2015 - She posts a photo on honeymoon with the caption “So tired in the studio”
June 2015: She records Cry Kill Die and all additional songs are completed

In an interview, Lana revealed that she had written about sixteen songs for "Honeymoon," which turned out to be:
- "Honeymoon"; 
- "Music to Watch Boys To"; 
- "Terrence Loves You."
- "God Knows I Tried"; 
- "High by the Beach”
- "Freak";
- "Art Deco."
- "Religion." 
- "Salvatore." 
- "The Blackes Day"; 
- "24";
- "Sawn Song." 
- "California"
- "Crazy for You”
- "Paradise"
- "Come with Me"
- "Dead to Me".
- "If I Die Young"
- “Cry Kill Die”

September 2015: She records the first demo of “Lust For Life”
 
September 18, 2015: Honeymoon comes out
 
Somewhere in 2015: She records Gucci

oomf was being delulu and hoping she'd release disco darling so maybe we all have delulu for disco darling

Just like "«Tropico» discussion thread", I wanted to create a separate thread for a discussion and systematization of Lana's fifth studio album's sessions, that would later become "Lust for Life". Here's a timeline of sessions' development based on facts we know of (if I'm wrong anywhere let me know):
 

This all gives us an approximate timeline of tracklist's changes:
1. After a political climate change;
2. After the leak of "Best American Record";
3. After Lana axed 3 tracks, making from 18 tracks 15 tracks, to which "Change" will later be added as 16th track.

And here are all sessions from June 2015 - June 2017 that we know of so far:
1. "Serene Queen" (the song was made in one day, is a rough demo that was made on earliest "Lust for Life" sessions and was never come back to again);
2. "Best American Record";
3. "Yosemite";
4. "Sugary Sweet" (acapella 30-seconds idea; snippet leaked);
5. "Cry Kill Die" (snippet leaked);
6. "Roses Bloom for You" (originally planned to be an "intro" to the album; most likely, the one-minute audio that Lana shared via Instagram is the entire track);
7. "Everything I Do" (snippet leaked);
8. "Poetry in Motion" (snippet leaked);
9. Unknown Song (snippet: "When you call...");
10. "Say Yes to Heaven" ("Honeymoon" Version; this version firstly was in consideration for a fifth studio album, but later was reworked);
11. "Say Yes to Heaven" (Fred Gibson 2016 Version);
12. "Fine China" (2016 Version);
13. "Silverlake";
14. "LA Who Am I to Love You";
15. "Malibu";
16-19. 4 political outtakes (Lana shared in an interview);
20-22. 4 songs sent to A$AP Rocky for a collaboration (one of them was "Groupie Love");
23-24. 4 unknown songs "left on the cutting room floor" (2 of the songs are presumably "Yosemite" and "Best American Record");
25-... Other "amazing outtakes from 2016"; songs, meant to be on a follow-up album, that consisted out of outtakes from "Lust for Life" sessions.

Alleged tracks:
1. "California" (A "Honeymoon" outtake, insider reported that Lana loved the song and, allegedly, tried to release it on further albums, tried to even make it a single, but this wasn't confirmed);
2. "Wild One" (In 2015, Justin Parker made minimal changes to the original 2012 track "Mike," renamed it "Wild One" and registered with the original version of "Beautiful People Beautiful Problems." But this was done, supposedly, without any purpose, so the track is not an outtake from either "Honeymoon" or "Lust for Life". However, "Beautiful People Beautiful Problems" was later released on "Lust for Life");

She needs to pull through with her next album. Ancient dreams was definitely an upgrade from love + fear, but I’m starting to loose faith in her music. I still enjoy her new work but it seriously lacks in comparison to her first three albums

I would actually love a few new tracks! not like a SAWAYAMA deluxe with 4 new tracks and a shitton of acoustics/remixes pls, just new songs this time

I just know the left tiddie sitting in her honeymoon Insta drafts knowing she’ll never get her moment like 

IT'S HAPPENING THIS IS NOT A DRILL!