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Ah, thank you but Lana used it herself while describing her work in the studio with Dan Auerbach. I'll update this post if I ever find that interview. 

The way I interpreted it was Lana being lost in thought while doing something mundane, like having come home from grocery shopping, absentmindedly running her fingers over the plastic grocery bags while she thinks about someone from her past. It seems like she's rerunning moments/experiences between them and is desperately trying to find some hidden meaning behind why they did the things they did. It sounds like she was neglected/ignored by this person and was vying for their attention, and is desperately trying to deduce whether their actions were silent messages to her.
 
dunno if it's right or not, but that's my take. what do y'all think

PLEASE.
 
I know the song is originally meant to represent a dialogue between an ex-convict and his estranged daughter but if you pay attention to the lyrics a lot of them can be applied to Lana as if she was conversing with a younger, innocent version of herself. The way that ties beautifully with her own journey of repurposing of her past and history to a background of a soothing, deeply nostalgic jazz instrumentation is just… *chef kiss*
 
I’m so excited for the multitude of possibilities we have ahead of ourselves. 10+ years into the game, on the verge of releasing her NINTH studio album as LDR, she still manages to be as riveting and trailblazing as she was back when she released Video Games.
 
THIS IS AN ARTIST Y’ALL.
 

OKAY GUYS. This is crazy but look at how many Honeymoon era-related clues she has been dropping since the "pre-pre release" phase: The Father John Misty reunion, the "Buddy's Rendezvous" song with jazzy 'honeymoon' sound, serving contant "honeymoon" looks, the trip to Italy, "honeymoon" era glam,  her singing "God Knows I Tried" in that Ultra MV church (which was used to tease the theme of "honeymoon" ever back then with her being "the bride"), her mentioning of "Swan Song" in latest W mag interview, etc.
And the craziest part is...?
She decided to do this since the beginning - This might be the reason she USED THE @HONEYMOON ACCOUNT SINCE LAST YEAR until now. This is all her plan all along - the dots are connecting. 

I’d accept Dan’s version of Fine China if she’s still serving sad bitch alongside the anger

this is not the unpopular opinions thread

WAIT you spilled. She really looks like a widow who was ready to be a mother/ a wife - and the glam as well
Now it's also giving me Yes to Heaven, since i believe Fine China and Yes to Heaven should go hand in hand.
I'm actually intrigued if these 2 make their way to the finalised tracklist
 

latest news  after her trip to italy lana decides to re record her albums nfr and cocc with mike and rick.  
 
she tells us
" i wanted them wilder, darker and with a fuller production.  in this italian church  suddenly old emotions came up and i had to ask myself why i left the producer wo understand me the most.
tears were falling on the ground and my spiritual experience also lead me to mike again.  im so happy with both of them. and my new album will be the long-awaited follower of honeymoon".

Ah, thank you but Lana used it herself while describing her work in the studio with Dan Auerbach. I'll update this post if I ever find that interview. 

idk what the hell it means but im living. I cannot seem to even put these lyrics to a melody in my head but I know she will serve a beautiful one
 
interesting how she seems to be writing really differently from even Norman? I enjoy her being super creative and obscure with the poetry tbh, I'm just hoping the production is a little more clean and solid than on BB to balance out some of that complexity in the lyricism.

Truly incredible scene. And I remember that she cited Thomas Newman’s score for it as one of the earlier influences for her music. It’d be interesting if she ever decided to draw from that well again. 🧡

Another pre-release era of manifesting Roses Bloom For You on the tracklist  4th time’s a charm! 

This thread is obviously just for fun.
 

 
1. PRE-HISTORIC PERIOD, MMV—MMX
Early experiments and drafts. Some ideas were taken and/or perfected afterwards. Themes of love, innocence and loneliness.
Notable works: "Yayo", "Pawn Shop Blues", "Kill Kill", among others.
 
1. Lana Del Ray a.k.a. Lizzy Grant
 
Simple, bright compositions, focused on mood and melody rather than words.
Recurrent colors: yellow, orange, white and black.
 

 
2. CLASSICAL PERIOD, MMXI—MMXV
The original Lana Del Rey sound. Known for its emphasis on visuals, aesthetics and vocals. Image often more important than meaning. Themes of doomed love, drugs, mystery, desire, status, sadness and death.
Notable works: "Video Games", "Born to Die", "Summertime Sadness", "Blue Jeans", "Young and Beautiful", "Ride", "West Coast", among others.
 
a. Baroque Era
 
1. Born to Die
2. Paradise
 
"The Baroque style is characterized by exaggerated motion and clear detail used to produce drama, exuberance, and grandeur. Baroque iconography was direct, obvious, and dramatic, intending to appeal above all to the senses and the emotions."
Recurrent colors: blue, red, white and gold.
 
b. Romantic Era
 
1. Ultraviolence
 
"Individualistic, emotional and dramatic; A turn towards the mystic; a focus on the nocturnal, ghostly and terrifying; discontent with formulas and conventions; the use of new or previously not so common structures; a greater tonal range."
Recurrent colors: black, grey, white and red.
 

 
3. MODERN PERIOD, MMXV—MMXVII
Also known as the Retrofuturism era.
A shift towards the latest sounds and visuals. Known for mixing the old and new, inclusion of different collaborators, abstract concepts and synthetic production. Themes of self-discovery, escapism, the future and the world.
Notable works: "Love", "Cherry", "High By The Beach", "Get Free", among others.
 
"Diverse reactions in challenging and reinterpreting older categories of music, innovations that led to new ways of organizing and approaching harmonic, melodic, sonic, and rhythmic aspects of music, and changes in aesthetic worldviews [...] Its leading feature is a 'linguistic plurality', which is to say that no one music genre ever assumed a dominant position."
 
a. Early Retrofuturism / Minimalism
 
1. Honeymoon
 
Total emphasis on voice. Abstract ideas. Older sounds from the Baroque Era subtly mixed with newer trends.
Recurrent colors: light blue, red, lilac and green.
 
b. Retrofuturism
 
1. Lust for Life
 
"Retrofuturism may be summarized as the future as seen from the past and the past as seen from the future." Continuation of the previous sound but more emphasis on new-fashioned production. Subtle political discourse.
Recurrent colors: red, white, blue and green.
 

 
4. CONTEMPORARY PERIOD,  MMVXIII—present
Also known as the Singer-Songwriter Era.
The new Lana Del Rey sound. Known for its humorous, poetic lyricism and stripped-back production. Elimination of older ideas, images and sentiments in turn of newer, more personal interests. Emphasis on words and musicality. Themes of everyday life, adulthood, trauma, sociocultural issues, friendship and family.
Notable works: "The greatest", "Venice Bitch", "Hope Is A Dangerous Thing", "Mariners Apartment Complex", "White Dress", "Dealer", "LA Who Am I to Love You", among others.
 
a. Postmodernism
 
1. Norman Fucking Rockwell!
 
"Is, on some level, ironic; challenges barries between high and low; shows disdain of the often unquestioned value of structural unity; considers music as relevant to cultural, social and political contexts; includes references to music of many traditions and cultures; considers technology as a way to preserve and transmit music; embraces contradictions; presents multiple meanings." Known as "The album of the end of the world" due to its apocalyptic nature.
Recurrent colors: blue, red, white, neon green and brown.
 
b. Postminimalism
 
1. Violet Bent Backwards Over the Grass
2. Chemtrails Over the Country Club
 
"Postminimalist works are usually everyday objects, use simple materials, and sometimes take on a pure, formalist aesthetic. Steady pulse, general evenness of dynamics, without strong climaxes or nuanced emotionalism." Vastly interested in escapism and existentialism.
Recurrent colors: white, black, grey, green and orange.
 
c. Casualism
 
1. Blue Banisters
2. Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd
 
"A new type of postminimalism that features a self-amused, anti-heroic style. Interested in a studied, passive-aggressive irresoluteness that reflect wider insights about culture and society. Works might appear unfinished or incomplete, intentionally awkward, physically fragile and unstable, rejecting the display of conventional skills." Notable for the random, unpolished nature of its lyricism, composition and vocal styles.
Recurrent colors: blue, brown, beige and yellow.

I'm definitely getting a more UV, Million Dollar Man, Dealer, BBS, TBD, Religion vibes from this. The magazine shoot is giving major UV vibes to me but I may be projecting. I'm so excited for angry Lana again and heres to hoping for a Honeymoon/UV crossover sound

I need a new slower dark depressing album.

amazing taste!!!! a honeymoon/UV-crossover sound is the best we can get.

'Lana Del Rey and Chuck Grant are the Chillest Sisters at the Gucci Cruise Show'
On the outskirts of a star-studded castle in Puglia, our editor-in-chief Mel Ottenberg caught up with Lana Del Rey and her sister Chuck Grant to discuss cleavage, cauldrons, and the wickedly eclectic looks at Gucci Cosmogonie 2023 cruise show.
 
 
Mel Ottenberg: Ok, I’m with my two favorite sisters at the Gucci show. 
 
Chuck Grant: I’m with my favorite daddy.
 
Ottenberg: [Laughs] What are your names?
 
Lana Del Rey: Chuck and Lana.
 
Ottenberg: We’re at the castle right now. What did you guys think about the Gucci show? 
 
Lana Del Rey: Everything. 
 
Ottenberg: It was everything.
 
Lana Del Rey: You don’t know what to expect, and then you get it all. ‘20s, ‘40s, contemporary.
 
Ottenberg: ‘80s—lots of ‘80s. Lana does not want to talk about the ‘80s right now—
 
Lana Del Rey: I know.
 
Ottenberg: —But I do. I wanna talk about it, Lana.
 
Lana Del Rey: It reminds me of when Johnny wanted to talk about the ‘70s, and I said, “Okay, okay, okay. Hold on. We’re doing ‘40s, ‘50s, ‘60s.” And then all of a sudden, we moved to Laurel Canyon and it was straight ‘70s for years. ‘80s are amazing. What would you call Chuck’s look?
 
Ottenberg: I think this is giving ‘20s.
 
Lana Del Rey: Right, with the velvet ruffle.
 
Ottenberg: And then the shoe is ‘40s. You’re right. But your outfit—well, this isn’t part of the show—but the dress is ‘20s, the shoes are ‘40s…
 
Lana Del Rey: Right, so ‘20s and now. I feel so much gratitude to be able to enjoy fashion again. This show reminded me of the early days when YSL was starting, when Ferragamo began, when Gucci began, it was a lifestyle. It seemed like for a few years, we couldn’t even enjoy the lifestyle. But now—I mean, there are so many amazing people in attendance tonight, and I feel like fashion can actually be cheerful again. That was always my thing—can we bring the joy back into it? This show wasn’t just about joy. It was something we’ve never seen before.
 
Ottenberg: It was sensual, it was beautiful. It was a real effort—we’re in a medieval castle in the middle of nowhere. 
 
Lana Del Rey: I think it’s the effort that I appreciated. It kind of makes you actually evaluate where you’re putting effort into your life.
 
Chuck Grant: I was thinking that too. They fully carried us through this entire experience.
 
Lana Del Rey: The tech crew, every gaffer was like, holding each other afterwards. 
 
Chuck Grant: And the cauldron! We thought it was real.
 
Ottenberg: Yeah the cauldron was amazing.
 
Chuck Grant: It’s fake!
 
Ottenberg: Oh, it’s fake, it’s hot. Also, you guys look amazing. Lana I’ve styled before, but off-duty, you guys are two of the chillest California girls I know, and you’re really turned out for this thing, huh.
 
Chuck Grant & Lana Del Rey: Yeah.
 
Ottenberg: Okay, any favorites—a favorite accessory? We love the pearls. The long pearls, the choker pearls. 
 
Lana Del Rey: I liked the double pearls.
 
Chuck Grant: The fishnets.
 
Ottenberg: I liked the strawberry.
 
Lana Del Rey: I think fishtails—we’ve been talking about fishtails—
 
Ottenberg: Yeah I’m done with a train, I’m down with a fishtail.
 
Lana Del Rey:  I appreciated the sheer trains, because you can’t have a show without it.
 
Ottenberg: That train was cool. It was like a naked, invisible dress.
 
Lana Del Rey: I’m trading trains for beading with nudity.
 
Ottenberg: You’re also into boobs tonight. You told me last night that we were getting cleavage, and I’m really into it. I think the cleave is back.
 
Chuck Grant: Hell yeah.
 
Lana Del Rey: I mean, you have to work with what you have.

I literally said this days ago and u guys took me as a joke: *controversial & "angry" (as she should)
I know she is going to make something to answer the culture & to shut these heaux the fuck up once and for all, because i know she still has so so so many things to discuss - Blue Banisters did what it was meant to do but 15 songs arent enough.
 
And one more thing that i was right: This album might discuss what she addressed in QFTC (in more details & more tea) and ofc as she said - "a wordy album" then I really believe that there are more room for her thoughts & more ways for her to speak her mind & more relevant selection of wording that she can go with, because this is not an ig post anymore, it's a thoughtful project, it's music. ( So yeah... no more uncalled/unnecessary name-dropping or questioning statements, she has months to compose the whole thing, not a few minutes).
 
I'm so excited to see what's to come, some of you might be turnt off with the concept of a "wordy" album but I think if we get more "hope is a dangerous thing..." in songwriting-wise, it's not that bad.
And also, she is doing the most these days: attending fashion events (Marc Jacobs, Gucci), Magazines (W, Interview Mag coming up next), there can be more radio interviews (i hope she talks with Zane Lowe again), it looks like her team starts to do some work to get some attention from medias/publications as a part of the rollout for this comeback, it could be a mix between a "personal" Blue banisters-like era with a commercial/mainstream era like Lust for Life/BTD.

I must say that I’m shookt if she expresses angry feelings, channels QFTC… but I’m intrigued. Never thought she’d go that route and I hope i didn’t make you feel « crazy » for thinking she would (hell you might be psychic ). I love BB, like COCC. When she does songs in one take, I usually like that she lets her guard down a little… not that I don’t love her more « polished songs », but there’s something magical about spontaneity being the best take, even if it’s imperfect. 

Truly incredible scene. And I remember that she cited Thomas Newman’s score for it as one of the earlier influences for her music. It’d be interesting if she ever decided to draw from that well again. 🧡

OMG THE PRE-RELEASE THREAD  THIS FEELS SO SURREAL it feels like coming home

it’s not drew’s, but lana’s intention to do raw vocals:
"I’ve been practicing meditative automatic singing, where I don’t filter anything. I’ll just sing whatever comes to mind into my Voice Notes app. It’s not perfect, obviously. There are pauses, and I stumble. But I’ve been sending those really raw-sounding files to a composer, Drew Erickson, and he’ll add an orchestra beneath the words, matching each syllable with music and adding reverb to my voice."
so blame lana, not him. drew is a great producer and his orchestral arrangements remind me of that special feeling from her earlier works. i believe if lana asked him to go to the studio and record songs like she does with jack, he would agree. but lana prefers to do it different way with him. i’m not the biggest fan of it either, but i don’t think we should blame drew. if he’s working only with voice memos, he’s doing really good

thinking abt the iconic american beauty plastic bag scene  
 

Truly hoping it's not complete yet. The post-Portofino songs that are being dictated into a notes app at this very moment