Vertimus 9,881 Posted November 26, 2024 4 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said: Ocean Blvd and Blue Banisters are more similar than they are different, let’s be honest for a second. Ocean Blvd sounds like what she aimed for with Blue Banisters, with more time to develop and craft the sound. It makes sense, given the turnaround time from OB to BB was 1.5 years, compared to the 6 months from Chemtrails to Blue Banisters. Also, I personally think this “era” or “period” of Lana- 2021 and afterwards, a lot of the songs from each album (excluding the 3 YouTube rips from BB) could’ve existed on Chemtrails, BB, or OB in some capacity. They’re not too different from each other and the themes on each album are pretty similar, with some minor differences in each Your ear and mine hear very different things. It's a matter of personal aesthetic, not fact. I rate OB very low, with the what seems to me like a silly opening to The Grants, the pointless interludes—the one on BB is no better—the redundant songs (Fishtails, Sweet, The Grants), the maudlin title track, the strained vocals on Grandfather, the wanna-be-hip A&W, the many-times bettered Candy Necklace, and the muffled sound on Let the Light In (among others). I hear BB as clear, controlled, straight forward, and honest—though I don't care for the BB title track—a monument to and from a strong woman who knows who she is and is in control of her life--while I hear OB as the opposite of that. We know TRPWL is another concoction fused together over several years under various conceptions, including a sidetrip into Country and, apparently, another into Southern Gothic, so who knows what the new album will sound like. Maybe it will sound like something we've never heard from Lana. Was Tough a clue? Do we know for a fact that Tough will be on the album? Whatever was stated in the past doesn't mean that hasn't changed. Personally, I hope Tough isn't on the record, though I think it's okay. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veinsineon 78,527 Posted November 26, 2024 I can also kinda see zodiac being the opener for the album… or having something to do with the fenway song?? 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrashMagiq 59,752 Posted November 26, 2024 This being produced by the same team that did Ocean Blvd gives me hope that Zodiac will be on it. From what we've heard this album's gonna be lighter and more toned down but at the end of the day Lana did almost put Dealer on COCC so like... 17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Embach 48,794 Posted November 26, 2024 Not seeing Rick Nowels in the producers lists kinda broke my heart though </3 My Honeymoon heart always hoped that he will come back at least for one song, even an unreleased one... 18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Future Jazz 9,420 Posted November 26, 2024 it looks like she’s been gathering country songs for the past few years (nothing on blue banisters and ocean blvd is country, but we know she’s been wanting to put out a country album for like 4 years), so the record as it was in january was quite country-oriented, and since then it was a changed a bit there are probably some southern gothic elements to it now, but overall what we know about it isn’t contradictory. melodic songs, an Americana flair, less personal lyrics, it all sounds good to me i can’t wait to find out if loved you then and now is on the tracklist 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bonita 12,793 Posted November 26, 2024 Honestly I do wanna see a whole American Songbook-esque album with a Lana twist and knowing her she would so pull it off. Henry... might not be a production feat but it sure is catchy as hell! The snippet has never left my mind and i'm so freaking happy it's seeing the light of day, interesting choice for a lead single though. With that being said, I hope we get the song soon and at least the pre order so we could get a hint of the album's true visuals so we could speculate 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daphnedinkley 14,028 Posted November 26, 2024 i would loooove for the fenway song to be the opener of this album in my mind the album opens w/ the fenway song and is followed by a bunch of cool tracks that are aligned with the somewhat chaotic energy of the fenway track summing up the wild ride that is her fame/success/life over the past two years since OB. then, RBFY comes along as a sweet little interlude before the title track, which is at the heart of the album. the rest of the songs focus more on the simple joys of love and married life - not to say they're boring or all just cute ballads, but that the overall lyrical theme and sentiment is more "the right person will stay and im happy and this love is my peace within the chaos of everything". just my lil dream and my way of figuring out how a track as stripped back and simple as Henry could be on the same album as that crazy dramatic fenway opener 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bonita 12,793 Posted November 26, 2024 Something makes me think we could expect Loved You Then and Now for this album 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beautiful Loser 50,653 Posted November 26, 2024 Someone please remind me what Loved you then and now is 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waimea Bay 10,968 Posted November 26, 2024 1 minute ago, Beautiful Loser said: Someone please remind me what Loved you then and now is Rock Candy Sweet Chemtrails and Blue Banisters Outtake 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Candy Necklace 8,898 Posted November 26, 2024 8 minutes ago, Vertimus said: Your ear and mine hear very different things. It's a matter of personal aesthetic, not fact. I rate OB very low, with the what seems to me like a silly opening to The Grants, the pointless interludes—the one on BB is no better—the redundant songs (Fishtails, Sweet, The Grants), the maudlin title track, the strained vocals on Grandfather, the wanna-be-hip A&W, the many-times bettered Candy Necklace, and the muffled sound on Let the Light In (among others). I hear BB as clear, controlled, straight forward, and honest—though I don't care for the BB title track—a monument to and from a strong woman who knows who she is and is in control of her life--while I hear OB as the opposite of that. If you like Blue Banisters more that's okay! I've always defended the album and think it's underrated. But some of the criticisms you point out on Ocean Blvd are also true for Blue Banisters- Living Legend, NOTG, and Cherry Blossom are terrible quality, the ending of Wildfire Wildfire is muddled, the production on Thunder is layered on top of the demo- you can here some of it in the background. These things are fact not just personal aesthetic. Thematically they are similar: heartbreak, family, and legacy. My personal opinion, and this is entirely opinion, she does not come off as strong on Blue Banisters. To me she comes off as wanting to an appear as strong, and tell the "haters" to F off, and unbothered, but it doesn't come across that way. In a way it kind of humanizes her. In Ocean Blvd I think she drops the mask a little bit and it seems like she knows she's bothered, she wants her flowers, but she's not being very whiny/demanding, it's very vulnerable and real- again humanizing. Again this is just opinion! 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivory almond 17,154 Posted November 26, 2024 1 hour ago, Embach said: I have edited so much today and I wish we had more photos from that era to edit better covers. But here's also my other edit of The Right Person Will Stay: Colored version, worse version though: Hide contents can you pls post the colored version without text 3 Quote the earth shattered, the sky opened that rain was fire, but we were wooden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChelseaLeeArts 3,076 Posted November 26, 2024 When the right person will stay is a rework of Rose's bloom for you 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertimus 9,881 Posted November 26, 2024 5 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said: If you like Blue Banisters more that's okay! I've always defended the album and think it's underrated. But some of the criticisms you point out on Ocean Blvd are also true for Blue Banisters- Living Legend, NOTG, and Cherry Blossom are terrible quality, the ending of Wildfire Wildfire is muddled, the production on Thunder is layered on top of the demo- you can here some of it in the background. These things are fact not just personal aesthetic. Thematically they are similar: heartbreak, family, and legacy. My personal opinion, and this is entirely opinion, she does not come off as strong on Blue Banisters. To me she comes off as wanting to an appear as strong, and tell the "haters" to F off, and unbothered, but it doesn't come across that way. In a way it kind of humanizes her. In Ocean Blvd I think she drops the mask a little bit and it seems like she knows she's bothered, she wants her flowers, but she's not being very whiny/demanding, it's very vulnerable and real- again humanizing. Again this is just opinion! Yes, the 'downloaded from Youtube rips' are a big problem on BB, but when I think of the album, I think largely of the new songs or older songs like IYLDWM that are presented for the first time. To me, Arcadia, BBS, IYLDWM, Textbook, WFWF, and VFR are all statements of a strong, independent woman in control of her own life while acknowledging her suffering. I vastly preferred the guitar version of Thunder. It remains to be seen which Lana will manifest on the new album, and what it will sound like sonically. Maybe it will be a new or unrecognizable Lana altogether. Tough received, it seems to me, a ho-hum response, and didn't really point to a specific direction, and we don't know for a fact that it will be on the album. If we do get another single this year, hopefully it will provide some insight. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivory almond 17,154 Posted November 26, 2024 29 minutes ago, Candy Necklace said: If you like Blue Banisters more that's okay! I've always defended the album and think it's underrated. But some of the criticisms you point out on Ocean Blvd are also true for Blue Banisters- Living Legend, NOTG, and Cherry Blossom are terrible quality, the ending of Wildfire Wildfire is muddled, the production on Thunder is layered on top of the demo- you can here some of it in the background. These things are fact not just personal aesthetic. Thematically they are similar: heartbreak, family, and legacy. My personal opinion, and this is entirely opinion, she does not come off as strong on Blue Banisters. To me she comes off as wanting to an appear as strong, and tell the "haters" to F off, and unbothered, but it doesn't come across that way. In a way it kind of humanizes her. In Ocean Blvd I think she drops the mask a little bit and it seems like she knows she's bothered, she wants her flowers, but she's not being very whiny/demanding, it's very vulnerable and real- again humanizing. Again this is just opinion! The mixing quality on both albums is bad in different ways, but one isn't worse than the other. Even though the execution of sound could be better on both, I think the production/soundscape on Blue Banisters is better. Ocean Blvd is very soft, piano-heavy, and relies on multiple samples of ambient artists like AK and SYML. The interludes are unnecessary, and the song structure on the album is lacking. Long intros and outros means less substance, making the album feel a little like there's too much filler and not enough Lana. On Blue Banisters, the production is stronger and bolder (aside from a couple songs like the title track). The piano-heavy songs are still fuller than Ocean Blvd's, with warm and acoustic instrumentation. The addition of the UV outtakes may be lazy, but I think they work perfectly on the album and don't stand out at all. The album feels cohesive, and I think its only downfall is the actual mixing and sound quality. Thematically, I don't really think she comes off as "strong" on either album. Both albums are her two most vulnerable ones in her discography; however, Ocean Blvd just deals with heavier topics in a more free-verse, poetry style, stream of consciousness type of lyricism, while the songwriting on Blue Banisters seems a little more polished and traditional overall. 4 Quote the earth shattered, the sky opened that rain was fire, but we were wooden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NikoGo 62,883 Posted November 26, 2024 28 minutes ago, Beautiful Loser said: Someone please remind me what Loved you then and now is A chemtrails over the country club outtake, was retitled rock candy sweet. I remember an insider called it a mix of if you lie down with me and Tulsa Jesus freak. I would assume it was produced by Jack! 9 Quote "Don’t forget me" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demonmic03 12,085 Posted November 26, 2024 Just now, NikoGo said: A chemtrails over the country club outtake, was retitled rock candy sweet. I remember an insider called it a mix of if you lie down with me and Tulsa Jesus freak. I would assume it was produced by Jack! I hope depending on how it sounds its unchanged. If it's on trpws 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mer 64,163 Posted November 26, 2024 What do the last 2 pages of this thread have to do with The Right Person Staying? 10 Quote ⊹ (:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅:♡:]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅) ⊹ 𓊔 I took the miracle move on drug 𓊔 ⚕️ The effects were temporary ⚕️ ⊹ (:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅:♡:]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅) ⊹ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demonmic03 12,085 Posted November 26, 2024 Just now, Mer said: What do the last 2 pages of this thread have to do with The Right Person Staying? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Candy Necklace 8,898 Posted November 26, 2024 1 minute ago, Mer said: What do the last 2 pages of this thread have to do with The Right Person Staying? that's a great question! i've been wondering that myself 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites