necessary sacrifice 8,866 Posted December 8, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 8:10 AM, lanasbottom said: like we’re talking about the woman who created her own genre, who blended orchestral music with hip-hop and trap beats, do something BOLD… joni mitchell did all that before lana was even born but go off 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Honeyyoung 17,096 Posted December 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: joni mitchell did all that before lana was even born but go off joni hip hop and trap queen omg?? 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Angel 203,584 Posted December 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: joni mitchell did all that before lana was even born but go off i don't think anybody did it exactly the same way lana did it though, you can't expect everybody to be aware of what other artists have done, especially since we're all lana stans, we're all going to mainly focus on her achievements & successes, even if another artist did something similar at some other point in time 8 Quote 𝕚 ' 𝕝 𝕝 𝕙 𝕒 𝕧 𝕖 𝕒 𝕓 𝕝 𝕦 𝕖 𝕔 𝕙 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 𝕞 𝕒 𝕤 ⋆ ꙳ •̩̩͙ ❅ *̩̩͙ ‧͙ ‧͙ *̩̩͙ ❆ ͙͛ ˚ ₊ ⋆ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
necessary sacrifice 8,866 Posted December 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Surf Noir said: i don't think anybody did it exactly the same way lana did it though, you can't expect everybody to be aware of what other artists have done, especially since we're all lana stans, we're all going to mainly focus on her achievements & successes, even if another artist did something similar at some other point in time its more just frustrating when lana fans think she invented everything and then more fans believe that and suddenly we're rewriting history and removing any accomplishments made by earlier women 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanasbottom 23,695 Posted December 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: joni mitchell did all that before lana was even born but go off no one cares about that hag 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Angel 203,584 Posted December 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: its more just frustrating when lana fans think she invented everything and then more fans believe that and suddenly we're rewriting history and removing any accomplishments made by earlier women i see what you're saying, but i don't think anybody is intentionally trying to rewrite & erase history by celebrating & recognizing lana's achievements, majority of people here aren't going to talk about, or even be aware of, other artist's accomplishments because this is a forum dedicated to lana, we're mostly going to talk about lana & only lana, & i would say that no two artists are the same, i'm sure there's been other artists who've blended genres together & innovated music, but lana did it in her unique way during a particular time period where it was effective & it was innovative, & that should be recognized as well 12 Quote 𝕚 ' 𝕝 𝕝 𝕙 𝕒 𝕧 𝕖 𝕒 𝕓 𝕝 𝕦 𝕖 𝕔 𝕙 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 𝕞 𝕒 𝕤 ⋆ ꙳ •̩̩͙ ❅ *̩̩͙ ‧͙ ‧͙ *̩̩͙ ❆ ͙͛ ˚ ₊ ⋆ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sugar Venom 9,658 Posted December 8, 2021 I’m going to be brave and say Dangerous Girl alone eats up the entirety of her last three albums easily…. I miss when she would have fun and conjure up these vibrant, imaginary, movie-like worlds. I’m tired of people saying we miss things like this and being shut down with “I’m sorry you can’t accept her maturity and growth” or whatever like closing her into a matronly box and she’s never allowed to talk about any of her old muses again simply because she knows better. She keeps trying to tell y’all that she’s wild and fucking crazy but u won’t listen Also the outfit is objectively not good but I can see why she chose the individual aspects of it. Her personal style may not be stylish in the sense that it’s “””refined”” or doing a trend “correctly”, but it’s definitely still thoughtful and a unique interpretation of her tastes. That’s why we love her! 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanasbottom 23,695 Posted December 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: its more just frustrating when lana fans think she invented everything and then more fans believe that and suddenly we're rewriting history and removing any accomplishments made by earlier women it’s really not that deep sis 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venice Peach 54,376 Posted December 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sugar Venom said: I’m going to be brave and say Dangerous Girl alone eats up the entirety of her last three albums easily…. I miss when she would have fun and conjure up these vibrant, imaginary, movie-like worlds. I’m tired of people saying we miss things like this and being shut down with “I’m sorry you can’t accept her maturity and growth” or whatever like closing her into a matronly box and she’s never allowed to talk about any of her old muses again simply because she knows better. She keeps trying to tell y’all that she’s wild and fucking crazy but u won’t listen Also the outfit is objectively not good but I can see why she chose the individual aspects of it. Her personal style may not be stylish in the sense that it’s “””refined”” or doing a trend “correctly”, but it’s definitely still thoughtful and a unique interpretation of her tastes. That’s why we love her! Everyday I pray for pre BTD pop Lana to come back but I don't think it's happening 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Movie 51,869 Posted December 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: its more just frustrating when lana fans think she invented everything and then more fans believe that and suddenly we're rewriting history and removing any accomplishments made by earlier women I fully agree with this, however, I don't think that takes away from acknowledging Lana's impact on modern female alternative/pop music. Of course it all dates back to her inspirations and the women before her like Joni or Joan. Lana on her own though has a lot of accomplishments as well and there are so many artists right now that site her as an inspiration, even people like Taylor Swift. I don't think that anyone on here thinks she necessarily invented anything, but rather that she helped bring certain elements of her music as well as the music of earlier female artists back into the mainstream. 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LifeOnMars 7,933 Posted December 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, scarlettohara said: its more just frustrating when lana fans think she invented everything and then more fans believe that and suddenly we're rewriting history and removing any accomplishments made by earlier women Can you name a few female artists that blended orchestral music with hip-hop before Lana? I’m sure there are some. Genuinely interested in checking them out. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluebirdXO 7,679 Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, palemoonbaby said: visit Osaka/Tokyo queen. Marina went to Japan and came back with L+F. We don't need the same to happen with Lana 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadly Nightshade 12,951 Posted December 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, Sugar Venom said: I’m going to be brave and say Dangerous Girl alone eats up the entirety of her last three albums easily…. I miss when she would have fun and conjure up these vibrant, imaginary, movie-like worlds. I’m tired of people saying we miss things like this and being shut down with “I’m sorry you can’t accept her maturity and growth” or whatever like closing her into a matronly box and she’s never allowed to talk about any of her old muses again simply because she knows better. She keeps trying to tell y’all that she’s wild and fucking crazy but u won’t listen I really would like to see again that movie-like world you are talking about as well . That’s why i think that the next album should be more experimental with a variety of instrumentation , something that it’s a little bit out of her comfort zone compared to the last 2 albums . Even though i really enjoyed many songs from her last two releases i think that a similar release ( sound-wise ) would be a little bit disappointing to me at least, because i know her capabilities as an artist and how versatile she can be . Also i never understood the correlation between the maturity and sound argument . The genre of music you are exploring or the thematics you are talking about in your songs are not indicators of maturity ,for me at least, so i totally agree with what you are saying. 4 Quote 𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚖𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚘𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚈𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚐𝚘𝚕𝚍 𝚊𝚞𝚝𝚞𝚖𝚗𝚊𝚕 𝚑𝚊𝚣𝚎 𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚍𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚆𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚏𝚊𝚌𝚎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadesofloveduthenandnow 20,612 Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, scarlettohara said: joni mitchell did all that before lana was even born but go off omg ann powers? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
necessary sacrifice 8,866 Posted December 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Nectar said: Can you name a few female artists that blended orchestral music with hip-hop before Lana? I’m sure there are some. Genuinely interested in checking them out. i only really know of joni and tori amos but i'm sure someone else could add a few. hope that helps 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluechemtrails 27,338 Posted December 8, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 2:10 PM, lanasbottom said: i don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion but she NEEDS to come up with something new lyrical wise. i love every mention of the color blue, about her being crazy and wild, her candles in the wind and her missing her old life but after the past 3 albums it’s gotten a bit stale and repetitive. can she PLS come up with something new, new topics, new thoughts. damn it girl give us a concept album, a musical in album form, a story from A to Z idk something new and different. same for the production, i LOVE bb it’s one my fav albums in a long time but we need more variety. the piano and muffled drums were great but i need her to do something spicy, exciting and most importantly unexpected like we’re talking about the woman who created her own genre, who blended orchestral music with hip-hop and trap beats, do something BOLD… She did a lot of new stuff on BB: Text Book and Black Bathing Suit with unexpected tempo changes Blue Banisters has literally no instruments, her voice alone carries the song Arcadia has the very new and adventurous idea of comparing her body with geographical places, and she has never sung such a warm wonderful ballad before The interlude, Dealer - ok, I don't have to explain that ones Black Bathing Suit has a very new sound and lyrical ideas, I don't think she has ever sung about her body in this way before If You Lie Down With Me: the retro-jazzy trumpets at the end are extraordinary Thunder: never before has a well-known leaked song been given such an enhancement with a superb string arrangement Sweet Carolina: for the first time, a song created with family and friends (and a piano played by Rob) I would say that there have never been so many new elements and experiments on one album. I don't see any repetitions on NFR, Chemtrails and BB, each album is completely different from the others. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palemoonbaby 15,272 Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, BluebirdXO said: Marina went to Japan and came back with L+F. We don't need the same to happen with Lana Marina was also doing psychological (?) courses and that made album bad. In case of Lana it would be spontanicious decision. This and back to New York would make wonders. Japan would change Lana's mind in positive way. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slang 1,533 Posted December 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Nectar said: Can you name a few female artists that blended orchestral music with hip-hop before Lana? I’m sure there are some. Genuinely interested in checking them out. Hip hop is problematic as I don't know how recent that field is, or how exactly to define it. I associate it with the likes of Kanye, Kendrick, Tyler, and (yikes!@) Eminem. Emile Haynie might need to get some credit for blending Hip Hop with Orchestral on BTD, as LDR's later albums aren't as hip hoppy (and AKA didn't seem inclined that way). As to who might precurse LDR with regard to clashing those particular genres, Portishead and Massive Attack (also the Roots?), in the sense of combining "noir/cinematic" and hip hop. Maybe even some later Blondie (i.e., Autoamerican, released when LDR was -5 years old; famous for the "trick" question: who introduced Rap to MTV?, I think it was Debby Harry). Janelle Monae, Corinne Bailey Rae (no relation to Ray), and Esperanza Spalding may also do work fitting the category you're describing. If not, they are at least worth checking out (in that order). And there are plenty I just don't know about. For me -- in terms of important style setters and/or exemplifiers of known styles -- Steely Dan (and Fagen and Becker separately) and Depeche Mode are at least groups that I would recommend in terms of "if you like them, you might like LDR, and vice versa". This is because the AMSR and future-retro run strong in them, imo, but not anything specifically tied to orchestras or hip hop per se (although Steely Dan was influenced by Reggae and Stevie Wonder, and Keith Jarrett sued them). 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Escapism 6,044 Posted December 8, 2021 after seeing her and olivia interact at the variety awards i kinda really want them to collab now i think it would make for a fun and interesting song (one that would be better than don’t call me angel ) and i really would wanna see what direction they’d take as two different artists from two different decades of music since theyre headliners for said decade of music not like my number one collab i want, but i think it would be cute!! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
West Coast 45,897 Posted December 9, 2021 Both 'NFR' and 'Chemtrails' are a collection of leftovers, so I don't see why one could criticize either album for being a bunch of random songs while it's a critique that applies to both. 'Chemtrails' consists of the NFR leftovers, the remains of the so called "NFR sessions" and while 'Blue Banisters' has original songs on it, it literally has like five unreleased/repurposed songs that we know of, possibly more. As much as I appreciate these two albums, I long for a project that's fully original and doesn't consist of songs that she felt as though "needed a home". 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites