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Interesting thinking about it with the context of her poem today. I thought it was a very idyllic "should we go to the lake or the sea?" when it first came out. And all the connotations of "lake" too. Should we go home to lake placid or to the sea. Hm.

I hate melon head but something he kept mentioning in his NFR review was how she was very nurturing and caring in it, like in MAC and California. I think you can see this idea really well here. It's such a careful, heartbreaking, hopeful poem. Love that for her.

The album that turned me from a casual listener into a stan. I had it saved up on my phone and hadn't got around to listening to it yet, and then one night I was at my crush's sleepover and she fell asleep next / on top of me and west coast came on shuffle. Felt like I was floating. When I'd walk home from school that summer I'd time the music I was listening to so the last song was always shades of cool, and the pavement was so hot as I walked and the soles of my shoes were so thin that I could feel my feet burning but I'd concentrate on the song instead. Not to be dramatic or anything but the next year of my life was the worst (so far), and when I couldn't stop crying I'd put on Brooklyn Baby and let it calm me down. I think the album will always feel like a form of escapism for me because everything is so exaggerated, a kind of heightened form of each emotion, that I can see myself in the core of it but let the rest of it just kind of envelope me into pretending I'm someone else who's a lot more sure of herself. 
 
Justice for Brooklyn Baby and Florida Kilos. Both deserve vids.

Florida Kilos and West Coast really are those Scarface, young-Al-Pacino-is-your-gangsta-boyfriend MASTERPIECEs

I can't stop listening to swan song. It's just so beautiful, lyrically and sonically. Makes me want someone to love, someone who you can just say f*ck it and leave everything that makes sense behind.

Probably more the concept of love than any one particular person imo

This isn't a "moment" for her this is a breakdown. It's clear there's a lot of underlying things but please stop with the "OMG SASSY LANA IS BACK" she's clearly not doing okay.

If it's definitely not a temporary wifi issue for you and it's been gone for a while, it'll be a licensing issue in your country. They can be solved really quickly or really slowly (gods and monsters took months to sort out for the UK, while a whole album ((Reflektor)) had issues and was sorted in like 2 days) so for the meantime it might be better to rip the songs from youtube, take them from local files and put them in a playlist so you still have them

Yas and wig... lipster award for most annoying 2020 starts now...

Probably more the concept of love than any one particular person imo

Interesting thinking about it with the context of her poem today. I thought it was a very idyllic "should we go to the lake or the sea?" when it first came out. And all the connotations of "lake" too. Should we go home to lake placid or to the sea. Hm.

I'm lowkey surprised people don't know what blonde eyebrows look like. If you know a blonde woman w perfectly uniform darkish eyebrows she probably tints them. Lana looks cute here

Ew

Do we really need a rundown of every makeup look, every outfit you think she suited better, every hairstyle she did in her twenties you think she pulled off better every time we see a new picture of her? You really expect her to roll up shopping after months of quarentine looking like she's going to an award show?

LEAK CHINA PALACE

I think that the whole idea of her being "un-PC" in her early days (as a certain member loves to talk about) needs to be talked about cautiously and carefully and with a lot more nuance than often given to it, but I think it plays a role in why she attracted the demographic she did in the BTD and Paradise days that has been sustained with leaks from her Lizzy era since. There's that quote from a critic about her (earlier) stuff being desperate, shirt-tugging, "don't leave me" that the critic hated, and I definitely think it's there.
 
She presented love as an undying devotion with elements of desperation, doom, death etc. that really didn't fit into the zeitgeist at the time because of shifting discourses. The whole femme fatale themes of film noir and to some extent, the 80s (so a lot of the films and ideas she grew up with) weren't popular at the time. I think a big part of why so much of her *active* fanbase is LGBT people and women (and of course the overlap) is because she was a contemporary female artist singing about that destructive and obsessive love while no one else really was, and making it look (and sound) glamorous and sexy. For LGBT and/or girl teens and young adults, there were relatively little artists willing to explore that side of love that you feel so strongly, because (for good reasons) a lot of discourse about love and attraction has been critical. That's probably why there's a lot (a LOT) of overlap between Lana fans and people who want to uncritically enjoy things like Lolita (particularly the Lolita "aesthetic") and CMBYN. Lana gave people spaces for people to be desperate and completely devoted with BTD and Paradise, and then followed up with UV as one of the best break-up albums. Most of the diehard BTD and UV stans don't really like HM as much, as far as I've seen, and I think part of this is because HM is a lot less dramatic in its lyrics and themes and is where change started to happen.
 
I'd add some more about the reclamation of things like religion (e.g. Tropico) and power (e.g. the national anthem video) but eh.
 
 
 
Might be misunderstanding but her detachment from the fanbase is kind of unprecedented in the stan age. The whole "Lana hates us and that's okay" thing definitely contains a grain of truth. I think she has a very understandable disdain for a lot of her fanbase, because a lot of her fanbase have very little respect for her and so she's kind of broken away and doesn't share much of her life now. She doesn't hate her fanbase imo - she clearly likes Win Edwards, who despite all the jokes is in some ways the ideal fan from her pov; clearly adores her but respects her boundaries. A lot of people here see going to every show as weird and obsessive but she's had much worse and much more dangerous than that, which is probably why she doesn't really interact with her fans much unless she's got something to sell. This inactiveness inevitably gets caught up in the "Lana hates us" narrative though. 
 
I'd also say that her change in dress and habits put people off. She's not an Ariana or Taylor Swift in that her success drives her to want to do more and better. Her success made her wealthy and she grew out of the more dramatic narratives, maybe got some therapy and didn't need or want to peddle that type of thing anymore. She's a wealthy white woman living in California who goes to church with her friends, wants a couple of kids, dresses comfortably, (probably) wants a husband and, going by what Sean was, doesn't want that husband to be an artistic type, but more on the boring suburban dad side. AKA she's living a very normal and basic heteronormative life, just with a bunch of money. That added to the fact she never really comfortably embraced her LGBT fanbase is what is turning some people off imo, and with stan twitter culture this switch can be read into ad nauseam.

I think that the whole idea of her being "un-PC" in her early days (as a certain member loves to talk about) needs to be talked about cautiously and carefully and with a lot more nuance than often given to it, but I think it plays a role in why she attracted the demographic she did in the BTD and Paradise days that has been sustained with leaks from her Lizzy era since. There's that quote from a critic about her (earlier) stuff being desperate, shirt-tugging, "don't leave me" that the critic hated, and I definitely think it's there.
 
She presented love as an undying devotion with elements of desperation, doom, death etc. that really didn't fit into the zeitgeist at the time because of shifting discourses. The whole femme fatale themes of film noir and to some extent, the 80s (so a lot of the films and ideas she grew up with) weren't popular at the time. I think a big part of why so much of her *active* fanbase is LGBT people and women (and of course the overlap) is because she was a contemporary female artist singing about that destructive and obsessive love while no one else really was, and making it look (and sound) glamorous and sexy. For LGBT and/or girl teens and young adults, there were relatively little artists willing to explore that side of love that you feel so strongly, because (for good reasons) a lot of discourse about love and attraction has been critical. That's probably why there's a lot (a LOT) of overlap between Lana fans and people who want to uncritically enjoy things like Lolita (particularly the Lolita "aesthetic") and CMBYN. Lana gave people spaces for people to be desperate and completely devoted with BTD and Paradise, and then followed up with UV as one of the best break-up albums. Most of the diehard BTD and UV stans don't really like HM as much, as far as I've seen, and I think part of this is because HM is a lot less dramatic in its lyrics and themes and is where change started to happen.
 
I'd add some more about the reclamation of things like religion (e.g. Tropico) and power (e.g. the national anthem video) but eh.
 
 
 
Might be misunderstanding but her detachment from the fanbase is kind of unprecedented in the stan age. The whole "Lana hates us and that's okay" thing definitely contains a grain of truth. I think she has a very understandable disdain for a lot of her fanbase, because a lot of her fanbase have very little respect for her and so she's kind of broken away and doesn't share much of her life now. She doesn't hate her fanbase imo - she clearly likes Win Edwards, who despite all the jokes is in some ways the ideal fan from her pov; clearly adores her but respects her boundaries. A lot of people here see going to every show as weird and obsessive but she's had much worse and much more dangerous than that, which is probably why she doesn't really interact with her fans much unless she's got something to sell. This inactiveness inevitably gets caught up in the "Lana hates us" narrative though. 
 
I'd also say that her change in dress and habits put people off. She's not an Ariana or Taylor Swift in that her success drives her to want to do more and better. Her success made her wealthy and she grew out of the more dramatic narratives, maybe got some therapy and didn't need or want to peddle that type of thing anymore. She's a wealthy white woman living in California who goes to church with her friends, wants a couple of kids, dresses comfortably, (probably) wants a husband and, going by what Sean was, doesn't want that husband to be an artistic type, but more on the boring suburban dad side. AKA she's living a very normal and basic heteronormative life, just with a bunch of money. That added to the fact she never really comfortably embraced her LGBT fanbase is what is turning some people off imo, and with stan twitter culture this switch can be read into ad nauseam.

All part of the fun. What's a concert without thinking you just might die.

I read it as her realising she needs to learn the difference between how someone presents themselves and how they really are. Not just in how they present themselves visually but how they act, how they say they are etc. You need to work to see what someone is really like, but that work can stop you from getting hurt further down the line.

I hate melon head but something he kept mentioning in his NFR review was how she was very nurturing and caring in it, like in MAC and California. I think you can see this idea really well here. It's such a careful, heartbreaking, hopeful poem. Love that for her.

Love conspiracy theories, hate those who mindlessly buy into the dumb ones

Legit, in the pre-release it's "omg i wish lana would stop being so PC and get her nasty ears fixed," now it's faux-concern about her alleged misandry that literally no one was talking about lmao. You'd think Verty would have got the memo he wouldn't like it when she said Norman fucking Rockwell is about men who think they're geniuses, but I guess he was too busy reading JP and the nuanced articles on 16personalities.com to focus on our girl 

You did give me Jordan Peterson fanboy vibes, glad we could clarify that sweetie! 
 
Please google 'punching up' so you can wrap your little head around why sexism isn't a black and white issue, and while you're at it, why a woman calling herself a 'little venice bitch' is far, far removed from a man calling a woman a bitch 

Legit, in the pre-release it's "omg i wish lana would stop being so PC and get her nasty ears fixed," now it's faux-concern about her alleged misandry that literally no one was talking about lmao. You'd think Verty would have got the memo he wouldn't like it when she said Norman fucking Rockwell is about men who think they're geniuses, but I guess he was too busy reading JP and the nuanced articles on 16personalities.com to focus on our girl 

You did give me Jordan Peterson fanboy vibes, glad we could clarify that sweetie! 
 
Please google 'punching up' so you can wrap your little head around why sexism isn't a black and white issue, and while you're at it, why a woman calling herself a 'little venice bitch' is far, far removed from a man calling a woman a bitch