Crimson and Clover

honestly yeah, I literally don't understand why it feels like I have to go through hoops on here to explain to others why I like this album (especially when it seems like the majority of LB users heavily dislike it when outsiders criticize Lana in any other way)  I get not liking it but calling people tasteless or whatever for liking it feels so weird when personal opinions, emotions, etc obviously exist 
 
and I basically said this on the NFR thread, but I agree that the simplicity of NFR's lyrics make the album more relatable to me. Of course I love all her albums but her earlier works had a lot more of these Lana-isms and an over the top nature that I can appreciate and enjoy but definitely relate less with. 

honestly yeah, I literally don't understand why it feels like I have to go through hoops on here to explain to others why I like this album (especially when it seems like the majority of LB users heavily dislike it when outsiders criticize Lana in any other way)  I get not liking it but calling people tasteless or whatever for liking it feels so weird when personal opinions, emotions, etc obviously exist 
 
and I basically said this on the NFR thread, but I agree that the simplicity of NFR's lyrics make the album more relatable to me. Of course I love all her albums but her earlier works had a lot more of these Lana-isms and an over the top nature that I can appreciate and enjoy but definitely relate less with. 

i don't get why people say it upsets them when other people say NFR is lana's best, it's just personal taste  

it's hard for me to say which album is my favorite cause i like them all for different reasons but personally i relate to NFR the most as the lyrics are so raw and i guess the most realistic in a way? most lana songs from BTD-HM paint this dramatic picture of a relationship straight out of like a godfather movie, which i love her storytelling and the cinematic feeling of those songs but it can sometimes be so over the top and dramatic that you can't even feel comforted by it.

NFR is such a comforting album for me. I used to get high a lot (lol) and it was such a great album to ground me back to reality if I got too anxious. A lot of people make fun of her lyrical choices in some songs (usually single lines from VB's verses, Love Song, HIAB, Hope, etc) but honestly their simplicity makes the album a lot more relatable for me compared to her more previous works. My favorite albums rotate between either UV or NFR a lot, but I honestly think it just depends on my current headspace. UV comforts me by allowing me to dwell in my turbulent feelings while NFR comforts me with its warmth and introspective nature because the album for me is a story of bitterness to apathy to acceptance. I do think some things could be changed (taking TNBAR out completely, HtD should've been a piano ballad with strings!, bridges) but I feel the same with all her albums tbh.

California still hits so fucking hard. 

i love bartender as well! in fact it's my favorite song from the album, it's very chill yet such a nice vibe

I haven't really stopped listening to NFR, just not as constant if that makes sense. I can't really believe that it's only been a year. the skies are the same as how they were a year ago, but a lot changed, and ofc u grow. I kinda thought the record was gonna be here by now, but I guess it really isn't all that bad. I just thought that the memories attached to this one wouldn't have to last so long. it's not about lacking in appreciation, but just. excited for the new one chemtrails might be leading us to? 

I miss going out hahahahahaha. 

some practical advice to get ur day a bit feeling more less everyday: 
Venice, FIILY, California, HTD, TNBAR, and Love song. great tracks to listen to while the skies have that red/orange/pink glow with the dark grey clouds semi leoparding them. perfect for drivinnng 

i sometimes forget that Norman gave us some of her best work in her entire career. Mariners, Venice, The Greatest... like wow. i hope Chemtrails does the same.

Agree!!
Hope is very haunting, feels so personal and intimate 
Love to listen to Hope on night walks in the winter  it fits the atmosphere so well!!

I’ve listen to Hope million times today. Its so haunting and personal. I always forget that it’s on NFR cause it seems like a “winter” song to me since it was released in January. I get why Jack said it’s one his favorites. 

the little sax in venice's so comforting. 

still remember the early morning rise n shine quality strings of the title track. this album's a time capsule. and we know how Lana's music's gonna age real well, but I think this one's gonna be an easy favorite for the listeners in the future. 

Happy Birthday to the best song of the album aka Venice Bitch 
 
Love this song so much 
Even though it's almost 10 minutes it doesn't feel like 10 minutes  ..for me it's still feels to short and that's when you know that the song is fucking good !!
Some  moments feel like crashing waves and I love that 
Still remember when I listened Venice Bitch last year at the sea with my feet in the water....it was one of the best & most beautiful moments in my life and it was somehow magical

bar didn't work at all on nfr imo because it was much better at being a bitter song than it was a nostalgic song, and i hated the vocal layering she added to her voice on the released version because it didn't suit the track well, in the original her voice carried you and you could feel that she was exhausted and fed up by the way she was singing it, in the nfr version she just seems to be shouting, they were obviously trying to make it cohesive against the previous track california with the same vocal layerings but california is a desperate song so the layering was needed with her shouting, but idk... tnbar will always feel out of place there to me

As much as the terrible mixing and overall noisiness of the track still bugs me, How To Disappear is really growing on me lately  it's perfect for those frosty but clear blue winter mornings and afternoons, window open with the sound of the wind and the birds chirping ringing into ur home   

Puking over love song....the melodrama sheesh
 
and nfr almost ruining her career?
 
Yallllll I can’t help but laughhhhhhhhhhhh 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

Heroin: Her best bridge. 

I mean, I can’t speak for the OP, but I really feel as though NFR’s best lyrical moments really showed a progression in depth, maturity, and nuance when compared to UV’s lyrical highlights. 
 
I also feel that NFR (at least thematically and in terms of songwriting) was often just as risky and explorative. In NFR (the album), she describes sex with a frank flippancy, touches on her history of hard drug & alcohol use, reflects on the turmoil of the political environment, and addresses her mental health in both a poetic and sometimes graphic way. 
 
In terms of raw vocal emotiveness and a similar production, Ultraviolence takes the cake, and that’s why I love them almost equally. However, I would argue that NFR not being controversial doesn’t detract from it being groundbreaking from a lyrical or thematic standpoint, but that’s just me
 
also, out of curiosity, is there any chance you had a link to where Lana described NFR as being safe from that aspect? I was trying to find the video but was struggling lol
 
edit: to clarify, there were aspects to the record I felt were “safe,” but lyrics and themes were—for the most part—not included 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol 
 
 

tbf I just read the interview (maybe it’s not the same one?) and I didn’t really discern “really safe, serene, and fun in my personal life and music” as something that is not up to her standards. to me it seems like she wants her music and life in general to be like that - especially after living what I would imagine to be a very unstable life. I feel like she wants her music to be a safe place for her to connect with and lose herself in without any worries. Right after that she says she wants her music to be deeper and smarter, so idk. Or maybe I’m just reading it wrong lol