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While I think this thread is a good place to discuss things that are nearly universally believed to be lies (like the former) or even things some suspect may not be true (like the latter), I think the OP should stick to demonstrable lies, situations where she's said two mutually contradictory things, and unfulfilled promises.
 
 
Yup. Perhaps the ur-lie of Lana lies. All the receipts linked in this post. (Also relevant, the lyrics of "My Momma" strongly hint at her having lied about her age in the opposite direction.)
 
A few others that came to mind most immediately:
She's given two different explanations for what her M tattoo means. FWIW I suspect both are false and she's embarrassed by, ashamed of, and/or regrets the real meaning. Saying she "graduated with a metaphysics degree". Fordham has never offered a major in metaphysics. It's possible her studies had an emphasis on metaphysics, but I guarantee you her degree, if she completed it-- and I think she probably did-- says "philosophy". Pedantic maybe, but still a lie. That one time she was talking about a teacher who was clearly Mr. Campbell, but she lied about the teacher being a "she", I suspect because on some level she realized how inappropriate it sounds. Lana saying that her family "never had any money". Another contender for the ur-lie of Lana lies. So unnecessary, and especially unfortunate that she responded to the (as far as I can tell) unsubstantiated and meritless allegations that her dad bought her career. Responding to that lie with this lie in the opposite direction really fed the inauthentic inauthenticity narratives. Perhaps arguable that this one is demonstrable, but I would argue there is enough evidence to conclude that it is. The Institute of Innnovative Thinkers. Ha. It's basically become a clichéd metonym for this tendency of hers to make unrealized commitments. In now-deleted tweets, almost Trumpian levels of promised charitable donations with no follow through... or perhaps was there, albeit way later than promised? 

Was listening to Sirens on the way in to work this morning when I realized these lyrics likely foreshadow her lying about her age.

There are a lot of examples where she and/or the interviewer has correctly stated her major was philosophy, but I thought this was notable to highlight given that it's from her own MySpace page and dates to when she was in college. Read the about section at the bottom:

First her teacher, now her preacher.

Here's another reason why her bringing the cop to the Grammys was bad (and why she doomed herself to lose). From a 2009 Lake Placid area newspaper article about Lizzy (emphasis mine):
 

#Justice4Peggy

While I think this thread is a good place to discuss things that are nearly universally believed to be lies (like the former) or even things some suspect may not be true (like the latter), I think the OP should stick to demonstrable lies, situations where she's said two mutually contradictory things, and unfulfilled promises.
 
 
Yup. Perhaps the ur-lie of Lana lies. All the receipts linked in this post. (Also relevant, the lyrics of "My Momma" strongly hint at her having lied about her age in the opposite direction.)
 
A few others that came to mind most immediately:
She's given two different explanations for what her M tattoo means. FWIW I suspect both are false and she's embarrassed by, ashamed of, and/or regrets the real meaning. Saying she "graduated with a metaphysics degree". Fordham has never offered a major in metaphysics. It's possible her studies had an emphasis on metaphysics, but I guarantee you her degree, if she completed it-- and I think she probably did-- says "philosophy". Pedantic maybe, but still a lie. That one time she was talking about a teacher who was clearly Mr. Campbell, but she lied about the teacher being a "she", I suspect because on some level she realized how inappropriate it sounds. Lana saying that her family "never had any money". Another contender for the ur-lie of Lana lies. So unnecessary, and especially unfortunate that she responded to the (as far as I can tell) unsubstantiated and meritless allegations that her dad bought her career. Responding to that lie with this lie in the opposite direction really fed the inauthentic inauthenticity narratives. Perhaps arguable that this one is demonstrable, but I would argue there is enough evidence to conclude that it is. The Institute of Innnovative Thinkers. Ha. It's basically become a clichéd metonym for this tendency of hers to make unrealized commitments. In now-deleted tweets, almost Trumpian levels of promised charitable donations with no follow through... or perhaps was there, albeit way later than promised? 

They swing 'til you're tired and send you to Mars

While I think this thread is a good place to discuss things that are nearly universally believed to be lies (like the former) or even things some suspect may not be true (like the latter), I think the OP should stick to demonstrable lies, situations where she's said two mutually contradictory things, and unfulfilled promises.
 
 
Yup. Perhaps the ur-lie of Lana lies. All the receipts linked in this post. (Also relevant, the lyrics of "My Momma" strongly hint at her having lied about her age in the opposite direction.)
 
A few others that came to mind most immediately:
She's given two different explanations for what her M tattoo means. FWIW I suspect both are false and she's embarrassed by, ashamed of, and/or regrets the real meaning. Saying she "graduated with a metaphysics degree". Fordham has never offered a major in metaphysics. It's possible her studies had an emphasis on metaphysics, but I guarantee you her degree, if she completed it-- and I think she probably did-- says "philosophy". Pedantic maybe, but still a lie. That one time she was talking about a teacher who was clearly Mr. Campbell, but she lied about the teacher being a "she", I suspect because on some level she realized how inappropriate it sounds. Lana saying that her family "never had any money". Another contender for the ur-lie of Lana lies. So unnecessary, and especially unfortunate that she responded to the (as far as I can tell) unsubstantiated and meritless allegations that her dad bought her career. Responding to that lie with this lie in the opposite direction really fed the inauthentic inauthenticity narratives. Perhaps arguable that this one is demonstrable, but I would argue there is enough evidence to conclude that it is. The Institute of Innnovative Thinkers. Ha. It's basically become a clichéd metonym for this tendency of hers to make unrealized commitments. In now-deleted tweets, almost Trumpian levels of promised charitable donations with no follow through... or perhaps was there, albeit way later than promised? 

While I think this thread is a good place to discuss things that are nearly universally believed to be lies (like the former) or even things some suspect may not be true (like the latter), I think the OP should stick to demonstrable lies, situations where she's said two mutually contradictory things, and unfulfilled promises.
 
 
Yup. Perhaps the ur-lie of Lana lies. All the receipts linked in this post. (Also relevant, the lyrics of "My Momma" strongly hint at her having lied about her age in the opposite direction.)
 
A few others that came to mind most immediately:
She's given two different explanations for what her M tattoo means. FWIW I suspect both are false and she's embarrassed by, ashamed of, and/or regrets the real meaning. Saying she "graduated with a metaphysics degree". Fordham has never offered a major in metaphysics. It's possible her studies had an emphasis on metaphysics, but I guarantee you her degree, if she completed it-- and I think she probably did-- says "philosophy". Pedantic maybe, but still a lie. That one time she was talking about a teacher who was clearly Mr. Campbell, but she lied about the teacher being a "she", I suspect because on some level she realized how inappropriate it sounds. Lana saying that her family "never had any money". Another contender for the ur-lie of Lana lies. So unnecessary, and especially unfortunate that she responded to the (as far as I can tell) unsubstantiated and meritless allegations that her dad bought her career. Responding to that lie with this lie in the opposite direction really fed the inauthentic inauthenticity narratives. Perhaps arguable that this one is demonstrable, but I would argue there is enough evidence to conclude that it is. The Institute of Innnovative Thinkers. Ha. It's basically become a clichéd metonym for this tendency of hers to make unrealized commitments. In now-deleted tweets, almost Trumpian levels of promised charitable donations with no follow through... or perhaps was there, albeit way later than promised? 

Here's another reason why her bringing the cop to the Grammys was bad (and why she doomed herself to lose). From a 2009 Lake Placid area newspaper article about Lizzy (emphasis mine):
 

#Justice4Peggy

While I think this thread is a good place to discuss things that are nearly universally believed to be lies (like the former) or even things some suspect may not be true (like the latter), I think the OP should stick to demonstrable lies, situations where she's said two mutually contradictory things, and unfulfilled promises.
 
 
Yup. Perhaps the ur-lie of Lana lies. All the receipts linked in this post. (Also relevant, the lyrics of "My Momma" strongly hint at her having lied about her age in the opposite direction.)
 
A few others that came to mind most immediately:
She's given two different explanations for what her M tattoo means. FWIW I suspect both are false and she's embarrassed by, ashamed of, and/or regrets the real meaning. Saying she "graduated with a metaphysics degree". Fordham has never offered a major in metaphysics. It's possible her studies had an emphasis on metaphysics, but I guarantee you her degree, if she completed it-- and I think she probably did-- says "philosophy". Pedantic maybe, but still a lie. That one time she was talking about a teacher who was clearly Mr. Campbell, but she lied about the teacher being a "she", I suspect because on some level she realized how inappropriate it sounds. Lana saying that her family "never had any money". Another contender for the ur-lie of Lana lies. So unnecessary, and especially unfortunate that she responded to the (as far as I can tell) unsubstantiated and meritless allegations that her dad bought her career. Responding to that lie with this lie in the opposite direction really fed the inauthentic inauthenticity narratives. Perhaps arguable that this one is demonstrable, but I would argue there is enough evidence to conclude that it is. The Institute of Innnovative Thinkers. Ha. It's basically become a clichéd metonym for this tendency of hers to make unrealized commitments. In now-deleted tweets, almost Trumpian levels of promised charitable donations with no follow through... or perhaps was there, albeit way later than promised? 

We need to get the New York Times on this.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
 

In all seriousness though, it would be cool if we linked to sources for each claim.

Here's another reason why her bringing the cop to the Grammys was bad (and why she doomed herself to lose). From a 2009 Lake Placid area newspaper article about Lizzy (emphasis mine):
 

#Justice4Peggy

The correct superlative form is most violent, Lizzy. Didn't Mr. Campbell teach you anything besides conjugation?
 
 

#tbt to that rape fantasy video Lana did with Eli Roth posted by that Nazi-named video production company Marilyn Manson was involved with
 
Edit: Assuming this was the event Mando Diao's talking about:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lana-del-rey-marilyn-manson_n_1373682
 
Photos of them hanging out after the event:

 

 
 
And never forget this surreal image:

1. Goodness gracious! How dare I use profanity to emphasize how trivial I find someone's desire to attend a concert to standing up for human rights! What a travesty! #CertainTravesties
2. Members of oppressor classes, particularly when they are propagandized by their government and state-friendly media, are often the last to come to terms with the reality and extent of that oppression. And if you're suggesting that my position on this issue is informed only by histrionic social media posts, that's funny. You forget I'm old and have followed this issue since long before social media existed and despite a historically strong pro-Israel bias in US media.
3. Forcing my opinion? How? I mean, I have every right to express my opinion as much as anybody else here. You say this as if I've somehow abused my mod powers to silence or punish differing views about this. I haven't. If anything, quite the opposite. Members have reported offensive posts in this thread that I think objectively warrant discipline, but I've recused myself and left them for other mods to decide. I will note it is funny how often on this forum accusations of "forcing" or "imposing" an opinion generally correlate with an inability to articulate much of a rebuttal.
 
 
This is honestly hilarious. Your quotes in their original context look way worse and make you look like that much more of an asshole. If anything I did you a favor.
 
Sigh, if I must.
 
It's a strawman, on multiple levels, but here's one: Its implicit premise is that in the quote of mine it responds to I say people have to stop saying certain ideas. I don't. I merely politely asked people keep the plight of Palestinian victims in mind as they post. I literally say please.
 
Let's see. What post of theirs did I quote and how did I respond to merit being called a "condescending asshole"? Oh. I merely mirrored their own words back to them.
 

I find it funny how I'm being asked to educate others about the situation when I've referenced more relevant facts about the situation than most if not all the people commenting in this thread even though that hasn't been the focus of my posts and it's not my job to educate people.
 
Again, this is an argument against performing other places, not an argument for performing in Israel. I wouldn't perform in Erdogan's Turkey either. But Turkey isn't an apartheid state denying basic human rights on the scale of Israel to half the population and I'm not aware of any mass popular movement on the scale of BDS there asking people to boycott, but if there is I'd honestly like to know.

I wrote a long response to Lana's first shitty explanation on Twitter a couple days ago which I'll post when I get around to screenshotting it, but for now I'll content myself with responding to some of the many bad takes here:
 

Yeah, call me when Palestinians in the occupied territories can vote for representation in the Knesset.  

Member of oppressor class in apartheid state asks that we "just put politics away" (i.e. turn a blind eye to the denial of basic human rights to others by that oppressor class) for just one second so they or other members of that oppressor class can attend a fucking pop concert.  

It's not about it being "war torn" or "dangerous". It's about occupation, the systemic oppression of Palestinians under an apartheid system, and the disproportionate use of force employed against resistance to that. 
I have zero respect for anyone who prioritizes their fandom for an artist over supporting human rights.
 
I sympathize with Israeli fans who want to see Lana. I really do. But this is bigger than you or your desire to see one of your favorite artists.
 

When people here forget Lana actually has fans in Palestine and the Palestinian diaspora.  

JFC. Aside from being insanely hypocritical and moving the goalpoasts, this is fucking vile.  

This might be an argument against performing in Turkey and/or Russia. It's not a good argument for performing in Israel. It's also an argument against nuance and the ability to make distinctions between somewhat repressive regimes and apartheid states.  

It's one thing to argue why it doesn't personally bother you. It's another thing to dismiss the concerns of others, some of whom are directly affected.  

I mean, if artists want to boycott the US for these reasons as a political statement more power to them. But the apartheid nature of the state of Israel uniquely warrants it. There is historical precedent for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions having an impact. And the people being oppressed are calling for it.  

Israelis are responsible for what their government does in their name and boycotts, divestment, and sanctions can be an effective way to put pressure on a populace to demand change from their leaders. But give me a break. Not being able to go to a Lana show is like the mildest form of collateral damage you can imagine.

I wrote a long response to Lana's first shitty explanation on Twitter a couple days ago which I'll post when I get around to screenshotting it, but for now I'll content myself with responding to some of the many bad takes here:
 

Yeah, call me when Palestinians in the occupied territories can vote for representation in the Knesset.  

Member of oppressor class in apartheid state asks that we "just put politics away" (i.e. turn a blind eye to the denial of basic human rights to others by that oppressor class) for just one second so they or other members of that oppressor class can attend a fucking pop concert.  

It's not about it being "war torn" or "dangerous". It's about occupation, the systemic oppression of Palestinians under an apartheid system, and the disproportionate use of force employed against resistance to that. 
I have zero respect for anyone who prioritizes their fandom for an artist over supporting human rights.
 
I sympathize with Israeli fans who want to see Lana. I really do. But this is bigger than you or your desire to see one of your favorite artists.
 

When people here forget Lana actually has fans in Palestine and the Palestinian diaspora.  

JFC. Aside from being insanely hypocritical and moving the goalpoasts, this is fucking vile.  

This might be an argument against performing in Turkey and/or Russia. It's not a good argument for performing in Israel. It's also an argument against nuance and the ability to make distinctions between somewhat repressive regimes and apartheid states.  

It's one thing to argue why it doesn't personally bother you. It's another thing to dismiss the concerns of others, some of whom are directly affected.  

I mean, if artists want to boycott the US for these reasons as a political statement more power to them. But the apartheid nature of the state of Israel uniquely warrants it. There is historical precedent for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions having an impact. And the people being oppressed are calling for it.  

Israelis are responsible for what their government does in their name and boycotts, divestment, and sanctions can be an effective way to put pressure on a populace to demand change from their leaders. But give me a break. Not being able to go to a Lana show is like the mildest form of collateral damage you can imagine.

I have a lot more to say about this...
 
But for now:
 
 
Fuck this show and fuck her bullshit justification.

Still waiting for her to perform in Palestine. 

If you go to the (surprisingly still live) Kickstarter page it's funny how the picture shows "trust no one" engraved on the back. Truth in advertising I suppose.

I had more medieval town square antecedents in mind-- like the stocks or being made to wear a barrel-- but yeah, that sort of public shaming is the intent. 

I can't take credit for the "I fucked up" bit. That part was Moy. And a shoutout to @@Trash Magic for the photo edit bringing my idea for his avatar to life.

Obviously Moytin Shkreli deserves to be banned. But in some ways that would be letting him off too easy. It would also close off a potential avenue for victims to harass him for payment or him to contact victims to repay them if he ever finds a shred of decency. However, I'm going to mod-queue him so he can't abuse this forum to troll the people he scammed and rub it in their faces without us ripping him a new one first for trying. I've also edited his profile.  

You're just shitting your pants because twice now I have encouraged people to pursue criminal complaints against you. 
What's fucking sick about this whole thing is I seem to feel more guilt about having remained a bystander longer than I feel I should have than you do for ripping people off.
 

I guess I can think of one thing Malala got that you deserved more.  

As someone who's been paranoid about legal threats to the site longer than you've been a member here, I'm really sympathetic to this concern, BUT... 
A crime was committed here. Involving a fairly substantial amount of money. It would be wrong to discourage people from pursuing justice because it would be a hassle or stressful for you or out of fear of a low-probability risk.
 
That said, perhaps that risk could be better managed if this effort was coordinated by one of us on the mod staff.
 

Shun him. He should be a complete and utter pariah among the fanbase until he pays everyone back.
 

I do not support violence or threats of violence. But I think just about anything short of that should be done to make his experience as unpleasant as possible anytime he's recognized at a concert. He has absolutely no business being at any concerts until he pays everyone back.

No, this doesn't come from "strength". Quite the opposite. It's symptomatic of a tendency to sometimes avoid even necessary confrontation. 
Does he? Has he really? Didn't he live in the UK? Wasn't this show in DC or something? How much fucking money did he spend going to this show? How many people could he have paid back? 
I think people are justified in judging your being publicly friendly with him.