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I think it's time to talk about the iconic trio of UV outtakes - Yes to Heaven, Fine China & Your Girl. It's a twisted web and I'm not really good with phrasing and explaining such things so it might be difficult for you to understand everything (especially if you have no technical background on how songs are being produced), but I'll try to walk you through it all step by step and if something remains unclear I will try to explain it further! These 3 songs were originally written and produced alongside Rick Nowels and his engineers back in late 2013. We first found out about their existence in 2016 when Eclipse obtained the demos and revealed the titles/snippets. They later happened to spread and leak becoming mysterious fan favorites and sadly as beloved and iconic in the community they are, all 3 are fake... well, technically. To understand why they are fake I need to give you a full breakdown of what happened. It must have started with Eclipse getting his hands on an invoice from Patrick Warren who was responsible for recording and engineering Keys/Strings on some of the songs at that time. That listing apart from tracks that were released included Say Yes To Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl which have been fully unknown to the public. He contacts Patrick and using that info tries to get the demos from him, I assume under the suggestion that Lana is considering re-using the songs and tries to get the tracks/parts back. The thing is, Patrick is just someone who records his small part for the mix, he isn't actively working on the song as a producer so he doesn't really have access to all the material. Still though, he had some loose stems/sessions parts I assume, without properly bounced mix, he challenged himself to create mixes of all 3 that would be serviceable for that moment. If you check the original files of all 3 leaked tracks, you'll find in the metadata that those demos were exported in Logic 10.2.2. That version of Logic Pro was released on March 8th, 2016 so any mix could not be older than that and of course the original ones were made in 2013. Not to mention the fact that Rick and his engineers work with Pro Tools, not Logic, unlike Patrick. But this goes even further. Patrick's available stems of the tracks were seemingly so incomplete he decided to create new production and structure for the songs making complete new versions that were unlike what Lana and Rick originally curated. He sent those back to Eclipse alongside the very incomplete stems. This mess doesn't end here. You see Patrick Warren's job is to deliver the stems containing the new parts he was issued to arrange and engineer. Since he is often doing it independently of the rest, he adds a little bit of the song's intro at the beginning of every stem file he bounces so that when Rick receives it he knows how to place it in the mix alongside his parts. It's usually like 20/30 seconds and you can see what I'm talking about, because Eclipse shared some stems snippets from the files he received: https://onlyfiles.io/f/e0236e30cb224f9e8618fe09ab0b9bc3 https://onlyfiles.io/f/ce703d3a5a204566bd31278eb667e6f7 Thank you @TheBoss for providing these to me The first seconds here are the intros of real Rick reference demos, the latter parts however are already stems/mixes of what Patrick attempted to make in 2016. If you want some more closure, there is something @Say Yes to Heaven mentioned already - Eclipse must have received another pack of the same fashion later in 2016 of upcoming LFL track, Something Real (aka 13 Beaches). If you remember those times well, his exact teaser said "You took the.. #SR". This was most probably, because the singular stems he received as Something Real ALSO contained a few seconds of actual song at the beginning that happened to cut right after Lana saying "You took t..". In the full official credits you can see that Patrick is credited on 13 Beaches for "Waterphone", "Harmonium" and "Synthesizer". Now circling back, while Fine China and Your Girl only had one mix leaked, Yes to Heaven also had this: And this one is also fake, but it's technically closer to being a real thing than the Patrick mix. I don't know if this one was made by Eclipse or someone who got the stems from him, but this must have been made with filtered acapella of the Patrick Warren version, mixed with additional stems he provided and then layered with the looped guitar/drum pattern from the intro that I mentioned previously. But that guitar loop was literally a fundament of very first version of Yes to Heaven (unlike the Patrick mix that begins with strings) so you can imagine how it sounded based on this. The first real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is the one leaked by Music Mafia which is a James Ford demo from late March/early April 2014. At that stage UV was shaping as an album, Rob Orton started properly mixing it and Lana decided to take last attempts to find the right production for the song by asking James Ford to give it a try. Sadly it also got discarded and at that point they just let go of the song (at least for that era). The second real version of Yes to Heaven that you have is from latter part of 2014, 3:31 in length with leading production by STINT. Keep in mind though that while I refer to those versions as James Ford produced / STINT produced demos, they are all based on Rick's demos they got presented to work with. I think it's just easier to name them as such for clear sorting purposes. Even though the song was being worked on in both 2014 and 2015 they still failed to include it on HM as well. It's fortunate for you that those happened to leak, cause Patrick's SYTH was the most different to the real demos from UV. Fine China is also pretty different, while Your Girl early demos (not the final though) are fairly similar to Patrick's mix. I mentioned earlier that both Fine China and Your Girl got mixed by Rob Orton alongside UV so they've been scrapped from the release on very last minute and unlike Yes to Heaven - ditched for good right after. The weirdest thing in all this is that those quick Patrick Warren mixes are great... even though the mixing is clearly rushed and poor. The harmonica break in Yes to Heaven, the organs in Your Girl chorus, that stuff was never meant to be there, but hell it works. This sadly also means that if Patrick only sent those 160kbps mp3 files, the better ones don't exist. That is all for now, unless @111 would like to now come forward and add something that I missed/got wrong. I also do not really believe that you didn't know the truth about all of this back then so I don't understand why you never revealed that the mixes aren't real. I think die hard fans deserve that kind of closure about some of the most iconic unreleased songs. This took me years to figure out with massive help of someone who is also present on this very forum and I have mad respect for, thank you again!

She only considered actual real Fine China mix by Rick Nowels for BB

Dark City is from HM times, unfinished song, never worked on more

There is something that's been bugging me that I'm surprised nobody picked up before, but the French Restaurant song that leaked might not be an original version of it, but a piano rework Chris Braide did in 2021 alongside new version of Damn You that leaked as "alternate final". So I'm pretty confident a real 2011 version of French Restaurant with original production exists as well.

I dont make stem edits I make producers make new mixes for me... That's the difference of a legend

At the end of the day, you would indeed not have these songs at all and what's even crazier - these versions would never even exist So it's all just bittersweet. I'm mostly mad, cause I'd want them in HQ and well, we have to live with the shitty mp3s forever

LFL is the era when Rick and Lana made, by far, the most songs together. But none of that is truly even known, let alone leaked, outside of LFL demo. If something notable leaks from that time one day, I will talk about it then. For now LFL questions are kinda off the table. Serene Queen or Sugary Sweet are just roughest of roughest concepts, bottom shelf of the massive material she made for that album.

Lana is unpredictable I'd personally just hope we get the album of unreleased material one day and all 3 in their true final glory will appear there and we will like them best of all versions

changing the metadata of my Say Yes to Heaven files for the 7th time this month

Thinking about how Lana probably saw “Say Yes to Heaven (Demo 1)” on YouTube, clicked on it, and it was truly nothing she had ever heard before.

Not really, Lana just has a habit of beginning new projects whilst still finishing/releasing the previous one. This might be shocking to you, but Lust for Life title track was recorded before Honeymoon came out.

“Cali is hot” snippet is from 2016

The only real versions of Yes to Heaven you have are James Ford, that's still UV and STINT that's already for HM. You have no real versions of Fine China and Your Girl. The Patrick Warren mixes of course contain real parts/stems of the demos, but they are also missing many as well as they got filled by new instruments that Patrick added himself for what was missing. It's really crazy that he went with that effort, but it's not unheard of and this opens the door to another thing: While I don't know about EMGHW or Resistance, Be My Daddy is the exact same case. John Fortis got contacted, probably in similar manner, for the songs they made and since he had no good final version of Be My Daddy he quickly PRODUCED new version himself from the available session in hopes of being picked by Lana for release. So the Be My Daddy version that leaked was also in fact made in 2016.

This is something I'd gladly discuss, but it would be mostly speculations mixed with facts. Rich Lee was commissioned to direct music videos for 2 first singles of LFL - Love and The Next Best American Record. Love was obviously done first and sometime in late 2016/early 2017, before BAR video was recorded, someone must have either hacked or scammed Rich obtaining Love music video as well as reference audio for the BAR music video. This led to both spreading and leaking causing massive drama behind the scenes and ultimately scrapping BAR as a whole. We are "lucky" they only leaked this late, cause who knows if that happened earlier Lana might have never recorded the MV at all. There is however the other side/reason to it that might be even stronger imo. The original TNBAR version is clearly shady and putting a lot of guilt on Barrie for the fall of their relationship. I feel like later at that time she came to realization that she might have been too hard on him - or even more, perhaps they happened to meet/talk and become friends on good terms again. The BAR video was built fully around the lyrics of the demo so when she realized she definitely wouldn't release that song without changing its narrative, the music video must be discarded. Since it was a really good visual that Lana loved and it would be a waste to just scrap it, they reused it for White Mustang. But yes, the full video was ready to be put out for The Next Best American Record. This also might be one of the reasons for other LFL tracklist changes, but I don't know that.

Yes! Zach Dawes, it was made at the same time as original Thunder and as far as I remember Lana considered it for BB as well

So the real 2013 versions of Say Yes to Heaven, Fine China and Your Girl—all produced by Rick Nowels—remain unleaked. Wow. Cannot believe that for 6 years we thought otherwise.

this is a fucking JUMPSCARE

BTW this is also an explanation to why you have 2 versions of Wild One, when Lana approached Justin Parker for the original demo, he just tweaked it slightly to make it sound better

The snippet of LA Who Am I to love is some odd 2018 remake of a LFL era track

There really isn't much to Sad Girl, she wrote it with Rick in late 2013. Then Dan reworked it, it got released, that's it. The demo that leaked is one of Dan's early demos.

This is a bit more complicated, but what I think happened was: Lana originally did Roses with Chris Braide in 2010 (that version remains unleaked), then in 2011 it was reworked with Theophilus London, but I do not know if it was with Lana's involvement or not, because I suspect the rework was meant for pitching and not for Born to Die. That's why it ended up with Cheryl. That was still the time when Lana's scrapped material was being thrown around especially since she was slowly getting hype in the music industry. For example, I don't know if this is known, but Rita Ora recorded Live or Die in 2012

Hollywood and Angels Forever

There isn't any weird twist surrounding that song, but Jeez I feel like it has tons of mixes by tons of people and all sound shit and her vocals sound like she recorded them with a casio calculator. I just have no desire to piece them together for some timeline/purpose. Cult Leader and Dragonslayer, are both real 2013 Rick produced, Kieron engineered songs

This was 2015 so it makes sense that it's a HM outtake.

Well, this is certainly a lot lol. Unfortunately for me, my timing is quite poor so I actually am off to sleep now even in the midst of these new revelations. I can only imagine what else will be here by the time I wake up. However, the thing I don’t want to see upon my return is drama.. so please try to take in this information as much as you can without beginning drama/fighting with other members like there was yesterday. See you all when I wake.. perhaps bringing the return of my sleep = news curse x

Just wanted to say a big thank you to @BlackoutZone for all the news and interaction! It’s really awesome that you’re taking the time to come here and discuss things with us

I'm sorry this is something that's never gonna happen, sharing information for closure is the best I can do. But as someone else said, if people out there managed to get Cult Singer, Dragonslayer, Crazy for You etc. they might as well have the others and they might leak eventually.

La Who Am I To Love You I never even heard all those LFL outtakes, I just know.. a lot about them

Btw about that, this was rather a fact than a personal opinion. It was a scruffy demo made in a day whilst there are many songs that were being worked on for months in 2016 and ended up being unused

Your Girl (Fake Version) is a serve tho I can't imagine this song without the organ it hits the spot maybe more producers should work under pressure of a fake Lana team scam it brings out some genius in their brain

Next BOZ post: this album is fake made by eclipse stem edits

The PR assassination of Eclipse...

She was also SOOOOOOOOOOO inspired during both of these eras.. and actually by the same stuff just creatively interpreted differently! UV was cults, 1970s, and drugs... LFL was charles manson, sharon tate, 1960s, and the likes.. It's so cool seeing the same general subject matters, inspirations, and concepts but through two opposite spectrums!

When people start realizing Lust for Life years of creation and conception is almost exactly similar to UV in terms of how much content and changes were made between early songs and released songs Like those are literally her top 2 most interesting eras to look into... 2012 - 2014 and 2015 - 2017

This is the best feeling

kinda interesting why BOZ said i talk to jesus situation deserves a separate post....

The way these producers were showing OUT auditioning for a gig for Lana’s next album making new mixes overnight…Only for it to be eclipse on the other side of the email thread

Im at a party on an edible writing on my phone so i havent read anything I will go back and reply in more depth and maybe share more lana lore and info from those days My understanding of how production worked was very limited and I did not completely understand how those mixes were made at the time. But I would just like to point out that we still do not have your girl or fine china in original production or better quality.. so if not for those we would have fuck all... Sit down and eat your food some of you!!

The earth shook a little

No, this thread is something to keep your mind occupied in the wait for the new album since Lana is pretty silent and I won't be revealing anything more for now

Omg sorry again, I meant White Mustang. Piecing all that info is really tiring, my head is exploding today. I think I will stop at least for now

It's gonna be 2016 all over again begging for Your Girl to leak traumatizing

Serene queen bottom shelf….WHAT IS TOP SHELF THEN HELP

Plssss this is so shocking but it's also so fucking funny Your Girl and Fine China being tailor-made mixes for Eclipse cosplaying Lana is not something I could have ever imagined. Like imagine if she put Fine China and Your Girl on BB and we thought she reworked them... only for those songs to be actually older (and realer) than the ones we had

i really wonder what the hell lana thinks when versions of songs that never even existed “leak”

Now hold on what version of Fine China did she consider for Blue Banisters cause we know she loves a youtube rip

Making a list of what songs turned out to be fake in the last 24 hours

someone liked a post of mine from page 19 good luck bestie, you're gonna go through HELL real soon

no but tbh im kinda speechless i dont even know if i should edit the lanapedia page