LifeOnMars 7,908 Posted 4 hours ago 40 minutes ago, Quincy said: Yes, but if you look at the numbers, if everyone who voted 3rd party voted for Harris, she still would have lost. If you give all 3rd party votes to her, she would have at least won in Michigan and Wisconsin. Unfortunately the huge overall shift to the right was too much to overcome. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeminiLanaFan 48,914 Posted 4 hours ago 48 minutes ago, Dark Angel said: i'm sorry but fuck everyone who voted 3rd party, how could you be that STUPID Another problem of today’s state of the world : more and more people have to vote strategically and not with alignement with their own convictions just to block the worst option. I know nothing of the third party TBH, maybe people did vote for that option because they truly believed in it but if the main goal was to block Trump, they should have voted for the Democrats instead 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79lipstick 488 Posted 4 hours ago If every single person who voted third party had voted for Kamala instead, she still would have lost. They could have voted third party twice and she still would have lost. Why are yall acting like all third party votes would have translated into Kamala votes...??? Blaming your shortcomings on third party voters as if the democratic party isnt a failure and didnt run one of the most ridiculous campaigns of all time. Self introspection is long overdue for out of touch liberals. Good luck 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Candy Necklace 7,421 Posted 4 hours ago Part of me wishes he would’ve won in 2020 so we would’ve been done with him by now. It’s crazy that by the time he’s done, Trump will have been a political figure for half of my life 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LifeOnMars 7,908 Posted 4 hours ago I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prettywhenimhigh 49,300 Posted 4 hours ago feels like a never ending war against fake news... it's time for the people to seriously come together and put on a fight. probably a naive and utopian thought I'm throwing here considering everyone feels defeated and the newer generation seems like they don't wanna do any of the work. but it's serious, people have to come together now more than ever as a brazilian, my condolences and I wish good luck to all of us. 2026 is gonna be hot mess 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluechemtrails 26,541 Posted 4 hours ago 52 minutes ago, baddisease said: This is Joe Biden's fault imo. If he hadn't tried to run again, there could have been better candidates running during the primaries and Kamala wouldn't have been crowned the nominee. I don't see much wrong with her candidacy, she seems to be the best possible Democrat. The only problem might be that she's not close enough to the people and that she might have campaigned on the wrong issues, instead of issues that appeal also to people in rural America. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quincy 4,295 Posted 4 hours ago 21 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said: If you give all 3rd party votes to her, she would have at least won in Michigan and Wisconsin. Unfortunately the huge overall shift to the right was too much to overcome. Oops, you’re right, I guess those states tightened up a bit, plus the Google search I was using was only showing the top two 3rd party candidates until you hit the dropdown. 9 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said: I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. This was one of the weirdest takeaways. I’m not really sure why. Maybe the pandemic played a role? People were bored out of their minds and voted in droves in 2020? Did people think she had the race in the bag? edit: Maybe enthusiasm was much lower than corporate media and social media led us to believe? 1 hour ago, baddisease said: This is Joe Biden's fault imo. If he hadn't tried to run again, there could have been better candidates running during the primaries and Kamala wouldn't have been crowned the nominee. I do wish they had an open primary. Maybe her run was just too short for Americans to get to know and trust her? I think Biden would have done even worse, though. Shapiro would have probably done worse. The Dems are screwed. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mer 61,462 Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, bluechemtrails said: I don't see much wrong with her candidacy, she seems to be the best possible Democrat. The only problem might be that she's not close enough to the people and that she might have campaigned on the wrong issues, instead of issues that appeal also to people in rural America. No Democrat would’ve won this. This was a resounding referendum on the economy, and not the one measured by the S&P, but by how much the average $50k a year person feels like they have left over at the end of the month. 7 Quote ⊹ (:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅:♡:]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅) ⊹ 𓊔 I took the miracle move on drug 𓊔 ⚕️ The effects were temporary ⚕️ ⊹ (:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅:♡:]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅) ⊹ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quincy 4,295 Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Mer said: No Democrat would’ve won this. This was a resounding referendum on the economy, and not the one measured by the S&P, but by how much the average $50k a year person feels like they have left over at the end of the month. Most of the Dems seem tone deaf to this. It’s not all raw numbers and metrics. I heard commentators and such bragging that inflation was down. Yeah, the rate of inflation was down, but if grocery costs go up 20% one year and only 5 more % the next year (making up numbers), that’s still a lot higher than they were two years prior. Wages may be up on average, but the damn federal minimum wage hasn’t gone up in like a decade. Hell, I’m not living paycheck to paycheck, but my mortgage went up like 25% and not even considering other expenses, but my wages only went up 1% this year. Just an anecdotal example and don’t get me wrong, I voted for Harris. Trump will not be good for the economy, at least not people on the lower end of the financial spectrum. If Dems had come out harder and tried to relate to and speak to the lower/middle class, they could have done better. It’s a systematic problem. Politicians are in bubbles and as dumb and dangerous as Trump is, he’s great at making half of the country think he’s going to help them. (Spoiler, he’s not going to) Edit: The Dems basically said, yeah life was hard for a lot of you for four years and you should vote for us again despite that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChaoticLipster 24,574 Posted 4 hours ago Biden was indeed too sleepy, he didn’t really have a presence and was way past his sell by date and this lead to decline in enthusiasm for the democrats. Trump wins mostly by his charisma and presence, he has an imposing personality and confidence that pulls the wool over the average persons eyes. Kamala a Women of colour was the wrong choice, I feel a male would have faired better. 0 Quote Arches are Illusions solid at first glance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Movie 51,599 Posted 4 hours ago There's no point in fantasizing about scenarios where this could have gone well, and there's no point in trying somehow to make any of this make sense because it just doesn't 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyjimmycocoapuff 5,308 Posted 4 hours ago 16 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said: I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. Ellie Goulding says she can’t believe there are more than 17 million votes missing- “where the fuck are they all?” she said 8 Quote In a town like Twin Peaks, no one is innocent... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quincy 4,295 Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, ChaoticLipster said: Biden was indeed too sleepy, he didn’t really have a presence and was way past his sell by date and this lead to decline in enthusiasm for the democrats. Trump wins mostly by his charisma and presence, he has an imposing personality and confidence that pulls the wool over the average persons eyes. True. It’s deeply troubling that he’s the oldest president elect ever, yet he somehow still wins in these categories. If you actually watch his rallies and read the transcripts, he sounds like a deranged lunatic most of the time. Imagine what he’ll sound like in 3-4 years, considering his cognitive state has been in steady decline. 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Whore 51,217 Posted 4 hours ago I'm gonna say it here and now -- If you're a hispanic voter in the US and voted for Trump, don't bitch or moan when he deports you. If you voted for Trump because of the economy, don't bitch and complain when gas prices and food prices are even more unstable. If you're a woman who voted for Trump, don't complain when your husband beats you and there are no protections for you anymore. You chose that. If you're a gay person who voted Trump, don't be upset when you lose your job solely based on your sexual orientation because you CHOSE this. In the meantime, I might leave LB for a few weeks to better understand how to leave the US and quickly. I don't want to be here for a Trump presidency again. Oh and might I add -- if your daughter gets r*ped and is stuck giving birth to a baby she never wanted or planned to have or even gave her consent to conceive in the first place - pay her child support. You chose this for her. 14 Quote if i fuck this model and she just bleached her asshole and i get bleach on my t-shirt, imma feel like an asshole Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mer 61,462 Posted 3 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Quincy said: Edit: The Dems basically said, yeah life was hard for a lot of you for four years and you should vote for us again despite that. In hindsight, Dems messaging was probably too smug. If you look at the education breakdown, the “well actually, according to economists the economy is doing great” line probably didn’t land with a demographic so far away from the stock market and from understanding economic theory. I really don’t want to sanitize what happened, but I think the exit polls we initially saw were wrong. This election wasn’t about abortion, fundamental rights, democracy, identity politics, or joy—it was about having money—and I probably (along with a lot of you here) didn’t see it coming bc 4 years ago I was in college, so I couldn’t measurably say if I am worse off or better off lol 3 Quote ⊹ (:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅:♡:]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅) ⊹ 𓊔 I took the miracle move on drug 𓊔 ⚕️ The effects were temporary ⚕️ ⊹ (:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅:♡:]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅) ⊹ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motel six 3,127 Posted 3 hours ago (edited) the UK secretary of state gave a very warm congratulations to trump. much different to his response in 2017, where he called trump a racist n**i and kk* sympathiser. and, nigel farage has been frolicking around with trump, trump congratulating him for his gains in the UK last election. this just shows the direction politics is going in, a very dangerous one. Edited 3 hours ago by motel six edit - it was the foreign secretary 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79lipstick 488 Posted 3 hours ago You people have no idea how privileged you sound when you talk about leaving the country. Where to, exactly? Europe is NOT Disneyland. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coneyislandbaby1949 339 Posted 3 hours ago 37 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said: I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. new voters arnt voting + both political campaignes focused on rallies then (non online) media precence 1 Quote the voice of nirvana says come as you are~ and i will night time is almost ours Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X8vinylScratchX 4,668 Posted 3 hours ago THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT CONTROL THE ECONOMY AND GAS PRICES THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS A FUCKING MORON Didn’t the average American say they don’t support Obama care, but they do support the affordable care act The american IQ average is around the temperature of a fridge 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites