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    sorry if this is the wrong topic thread, please move it mods... Larry Jackson speaks about getting Lana Del Rey on SNL & signing her to Interscope! https://open.spotify.com/episode/7F3Xomh64jZibxbLuOhXuw?si=ca2f46102e8c4f75 Larry speaks about A&R and how amazing Lana Del Rey is! he helped sign her to Interscope and get her the SNL deal. calls her initially as "ah Lizzy" Larry and his pal John Ehmann were fired from SONY Music. John Ehmann said Larry should listen to a demo called "Diet Mtn Dew" by an artist named Lana, who Sony just passed on. Larry loved it! says he met Lana 2 months after he himself moved to Los Angeles. she came in looking like she had walked off the set of the BTD album cover! Lol. he was enthralled by her. Says the night before she signed w/Interscope, she got a deal from SONY UK for 2 times as much money, and she said No! and signed the next day with Interscope !!!! (our queen) Larrys says lana means so much to him and Interscope. He says at that point he was willing to help her do anything to help her artistic vision come to life (especially understanding that 2 times amount Sony offered was a big deal to a artist trying to make ends meet) He says she told him she wanted to be "Gangsta Nancy Sinatra" and he was sold! Ed/Ben/Lana signed officially and INterescope helped them make BTD with Emile Haynie and Justin Parker. BTD cost only $183,000. says he got an idea to write a letter to Jimmy Iovine to send to Lorne Michael of SNL about getting Lana on. Discussed how being an A&R is about believing in the vision when no one else does. Says the Brian Williams article was very hurtful to him and to lana (bc at the time Brian Williams was a respected journalist - which is funny now because he got fired and lost journalistic integrity for fabricating a story about jumping out of a plane in the Iraq war in 2003 _ LOL did "did anyone else die for you") Larry talks a bit more about how she and Chief Keef at such important musical figures who have shaped music and provided a breath of fresh air to a time of stagnant music. Larry says he felt extremely motivated after SNL and so did Lana.
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    I think it was touched on like once in the past a very long time ago I mentioned it in a thread 2 months ago so this is so cool to know that it hasn't been a forgotten fact... though a little misleading because though she wasn't signed with Sony, she had a deal with them and had a lot of sessions under them (late 2010-mid 2011), I believe this was just for her to work more and bring new music into them to potentially sign her but they weren't feeling anything she was doing. Then Video Games blew up and Sony probably wanted to sign her then but she was like nah and went to Interscope There was a guy at Sony who was in love with Lana (thought she was hot) and opened up closed studios just for her to record free stuff queen shit...
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    I was so gagged at all the love and nominations and mentions that I needed to take some time to think of how to respond, campaign, etc..... i truly thought i had entered my Kardashian era here on LB in the sense that I feel like overexposed and loud and annoying sometimes. almost as if the thought of posting meant people would see it and be like "ohhhhh brother this guy again?!??!" Maybe that's bc i spent a good portion of the year on Mod Queue..... BUT! I survived, I grew, and NEVERTHELESS Youve all helped me feel like I have a community still here on the internet when it seems like every other platform is crashing and burning literally SO grateful for all my fellow lanaboardians and may the most freshly caught tuna tartare come out with the tightest tuck! special shoutouts to @Embach my sister to the grave,,, we don't actually talk much, but i regularly find youre always in my corner when there are pressing matters afoot... girl u so special!!! <3 @ultrabanisters i literally cant type up a thank you bc itll come off corny AF but youre literally my twin flame on LB. like. DOWNNNNNNNN @The Stargirl Pinky learning you were a MAN this year truly blew my mind... can I even call you my sister?!?!? I LOVE YOU POOKIE @That Venice Bitch i always thought you hated me, or like had it out for me, but in reality you usually just clock me when i need it most. Im grateful for you! <3 @Elle <3 wat can be said? U are mother eternal.... @sparklrtrailrheaven youre so funny and I have a lot of love for the girls who have managed to stick around all this time @Lindsay Lohan im grateful for you pookie 030 even though i suck at showing it @Beautiful Loser Had i known hozier fans were so hard to come by irl I wouldve slid into your thread so long ago!!! I feel like we've grown just the TINIEST bit closer over the last year and I kinda love it. @jimmyjimmycocoapuff you funny ass bitch, ily @boom like that for always being there, saying what everyone is thinking, and helping relieve the tension with comedy @TrashMagiq for being an absolute icon @shadesofblue we haven't spoken much. but i absolutely adore your presence here!! @Come With Me for being an angel <3 @111 because youre like the judy garland to my liza minnelli @Candy Necklace because i love your posts @Terrence Loves Me because everyone loves the local jester! @DCooper for being one of my favourite users on this forum @Mer cus thats my literal daughter yall.... if 111 the Judy.... you my Paula! @HeadBitch for being the literal head bitch @NikoGo for always giving it to us straight, we love a rational legend and @lizzyology <3 u will always be loved legend. sorry if i forgot anyone, im never really good at these kind of things i also have NO CLUE who im nominating for what, but everyone above has my endorsement for anything and everything!
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    (Very few of) My endorsements~~ Remember to vote for 5 per category! Blogger: @Nectar Of The Puss for their unhinged but entertaining blogs that mods must read in full for manual approval Most Annoying: @***, @***** ******, @**** *** ****, @***********, @************************ Drama Queen: @Eugene & @Psychedelic Pussy Most Missed Sis: @COCC, @X8deletedUserX, @honeybadger, & @Louise (If only we had a least-missed sis category ) Worst Signature: @ivory almond & @The Grants Best Username: @Pantene123 & @BethDufreneOnTheBayouByYou Worst Username: @X8deletedUserX & @Delete NOW (Xenoblade LMAOOO) Best Banned Member: @Sis (this is anonymous leaker May Jailer btw), @Strangelove & @lanaismamom (they were both rather horrible to other people but there's a hole here without them), @reputation Drama of the year is kinda difficult. Other than the Wedding Thread I need ideas I have a lot of love for this site and the vast majority of the people on it. I feel like sometimes I'm pigeonholed into feeling like ONLY a moderator and I want to thank all of you who interact with me on more than just mod related posts~ Even beyond TMDC, I am still just a fan and a friend and you all make me realize it~~ @shadesofblue@Elle@Cult Leader@Embach@ultrabanisters@Lindsay Lohan@Mer@Dark Angel@Rust Dress@lizzyology@Black to Blue@Pantene123@boom like that@lanadelholly@stupidapartmentcomplex@takemybreath@Say Yes to Heaven@Veinsineon@mssainttropez@Candy Necklace ... random scattered incomplete list but you all have impacted my 2024 in some way and I'm manifesting Lipsters galore and more for u in 2025.
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    @Lindsay Lohan @Thats why they call me Dita @Embach @stupidapartmentcomplex @boom like that @Beautiful Loser @DeadSeaOfMercury @Rorman Nockwell @Cult Leader @shadesofblue @Rust Dress @Tartoes @Cult Leader @lizzyology @Say Yes to Heaven a few users i forgot to mention in my endorsements that i am always happy to see in threads and for keeping the boards alive and hope they get recognised in noms !! defo havent included nearly enough people and i will update as more come to mind xox
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    stupidapartmentcomplex 2024 wrapped Even though the Lipster's snub has followed me yearly since my lanaboards birth, this annual ritual has always been special for all of us divas on lanaboards dot com, and is one of the most fun times of the year, even if lana del rey is doing nothing for people to talk about on here. When you think about it, this site is kind of a haven of early internet forum spirit in the midst of twitter and tiktok and shit, and the Lipster's always magnify that feeling. Anyways, I wanted to take the moment to look back on some of my contributions to this site this year! Me performing at the Lipster's Awards 2023 in January: Me guest judging an episode Lanaboards' Next Top Model where @Dark Angel was infamously eliminated (love you queen) in May: My one and only contribution to The Right Person Will Stay pre-release thread in November: And that was it! I didn't post or do anything else significant at all this year, besides sleeping under my rock! Since every year really does end up being more of a flop than the last, I don't expect to be nominated for anything. Just know I will still attempt to slither my way in at the ceremony without invitation, even if the security at the door kicks me out and I have to sit with all the banned members near the dumpsters outside the venue refreshing twitter to see who won. peace and blessings to all lipsters
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    I've voted several people for each category but these are my official endorsements
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    I will be doing my noms later this week, but thought I’d share the love and here are some of my endorsements Best New Member: @motel six @venice biotch @Waimea Bay Best Username: @Brooklyn Fetus @BethDufreneOnTheBayouByYou @barttttender @Sunbather Moonchaser @jimmyjimmycocoapuff Best Pfp: @The Sun Also Rises @Elle @Embach @Venice Peach @bluechemtrails Best Signature: @LDR69 @Waimea Bay @Pink Flamingo @Pico Ocean Boulevard @Venice Peach Nicest Member: @Embach @Beautiful Loser @shadesofblue @Stoned Mary in the Garden @Elle Best Taste: @barttttender @motel six @Beautiful Loser @Come With Me @shadesofblue Underrated Member: @cheaptrailertrashglm@The Sun Also Rises @Stoned Mary in the Garden @Beautiful Loser@palemoonbaby
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    people being banned and making new accounts after saying how much they dislike the site instead of seeking employment needs to be studied
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    I love Chemtrails. It got me through some really tough shit. I remember living in a hotel at the time (had broken with my bf of 5 years), and the album dropped, and I was listening to it in bed and White Dress literally brought tears to my eyes. Is it her best album? No. Is it her shortest? Yet. Is it the most cohesive? Kinda! This is a quiet record, but the production is on-point, and all the songs go well together thematically and sonically. Also, Chemtrails (the single) is one of her best this decade, and Wild at Heart is MEGA UNDERRATED. My only issue is that it feels incomplete (For Free and Breaking Up Slowly are clearly filler tracks, and the album needed a few more great songs).
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    Same. I get the feeling a lot of fans don't listen to it front-to-back but every time I do I'm always taken aback at how tranquil, calming, and peaceful of a listen it is. It's a special album to me. Lots of travel, existentialism, longing... I get the feeling TRPWS is going to be in the same vein, honestly, and I'm okay with that (pls keep Tough AWAY). Honestly, I've been pretty shocked at how much dust Lana pays the Chemtrails album considering it seems to be the most fitting to where she is in her life currently (LMLYLAW, Wild at Heart, NAWWAL, etc). Long story short, I think Chemtrails was marred by the COVID era and the turbulence Lana was feeling in her life at the time. Question for the Culture and the vitriol she was met with couldn't actually be further from the sound and vibe of the album we received.
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    Thanks for sharing this!! It’s always soo interesting to learn more about her early career, is the Sony bit new information?
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    but do people who enter schools and shoot dozens of children dead get charged as terrorists? genuine question
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    THANK YOU FOR THE MENTION KING!! My feelings reflect yours too, like LB wouldn't be the same w/o you Thank you!! you've made me laugh on so many occasions and I love seeing your posts in the charli thread (in which I mostly spend my time nowadays) This is the best message I could've possibly received..you know the way to warm a chilly cougars heart
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    Thank you for all the love, love to see you two around here <3 To be honest, this thread is a source of positivity for all the members here, I have never seen so much love, kindness, sweetness and positivity on the Internet as here!
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    I just continue to dream and manifest that TRPWS will be sonically like what I believe the OG UV concept was.. UFB and dragon slayer and earthquakes and the likes..
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    When I wanna calm down I like visiting this thread cus nothing happens on here atm and it’s so quiet. Like it reminds you that things can still be slow as a counterpoint
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    This afternoon, I had submitted my nominations! But also, here's a rehash from my last year's "for your consideration": It's not that I think I deserve to be nominated in them all but it's more for messing around and having fun, I love seeing other people doing their campaigns! I visit and post in LanaBoards every day! If you think I'm nice and "sweeter than yo mama's apple pie", I'd be flattered if you voted for me! I'm a Honeymoon stan - it's also my most played album on Spotify. I also stan Lust For Life, Ultraviolence, NFR, Ocean Blvd... every Lana album, including Lizzy Grant era and I listen to a lot of different artists. My top five favorite LDR songs are Heroin, Terrence Loves You, Swan Song, Honeymoon and The Blackest Day! I've been making edits for 5 years now. Check out my edits! I haven't been a profilic blogger but I have 4 blogs yet to release this and next month. Read my blog posts I have written so far! If you think this photo is a beautiful photo and deserves a nomination then you can vote for it if you want to! If you also love my retro femme gritty cigarette scene then you can nominate it if you want to! Status Updates > Twitter I love to write about everything there, current thoughts, sending good messages, favorite songs, old memories or dreams. I listen to many many other artists besides Lana. My three current most listened artists are Princess Chelsea (I'm probably her biggest stan in this forum lmao), Nostalghia and Florence + The Machine. If you think I'm deserving of that title, I'd be very honored if you nominated me.
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    I’d like to request that users who have changed their usernames the past year to come forward and say what they used to go by as, it’s like I don’t recognize you after a name change.
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    I'm glad that the album only has 13 songs. Albums with fewer songs tend to be more consistent, to have a more coherent sound. Fewer interludes, fewer well-known unreleased songs or fillers. But she has also said that the album will not be β€˜half-cooked’, so it will probably be polished. But we also know that there's always something for everyone on her albums. I think it will become another milestone, an album that will be enjoyed for many years to come.
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    worry about your own career and not whatever lcd khiasystem is doing girl
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    This is my official endorsement for Veinsineon for Lipster of the Year, it’s her time
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    I see you but i think Ocean Blvd really gave us a nice diversity, we got some ballads, some beats and even some gospel. I think it’s probably my favorite album right now so for me an acoustic album would feel nice and refreshing after the sounds we got from Ocean But I think we should just wait and see what she has for us, that β€œMirror” song really sounds promising and maybe she has something else with that style on the album
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    Everyone seem so hyped this year, I hope this energy stays til the night of the awards!
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    Finally I see a good response to Chemtrails I have lived up to this moment... I really look forward to the rebirth of the ideas touched upon on this album And I pray to Lana to release a warm and bright song about friendship, for some reason I miss it so much in her discography
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    Strangelove was reputation the entire time. Having two accounts, and being banned for unrelated reasons for both - and how that went under the radar for like a year, was crazy 😭
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    What an info bomb to wake up to, thank you so much for sharing this, this is so interesting!
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    Also I feel like it needs to be said that the entire LB staff deserve a lot of recognition this yearβ€”from accounts β€œsuiciding” themselves, to dupes, to the whole Str*nge L*ve debacle, to the election thread, to the weddingβ€” @Elle, @ultrabanisters, @NikoGo and @That Venice Bitch really had their work cut out for them πŸ’€
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    Exactly! I loved how you put everything i think into words. The hate train that lana was going through really contrasted with the peaceful songs on the album and i think that it’s kinda sad most of the fandom didn’t get the vibes from it Personally I wouldn’t mind if TRPWS followed the same sound direction
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    I'm glad someone considered this. Chemtrails is simple, short, but it works and is very round. I find it very interesting. It has this COVID-era seclusion feel, like if you were taking refuge on a ranch, you put it on at night and listen to it while you watch a fireplace crackle. Lana had been flirting with country for a while now, but she didn't feel ready to embrace the genre once and for all and sound like a caricature. So, I like Chemtrails, because, even though it is predominantly folk, it has this nod to the country in a safe way, without forcing it to make Lana have an identity that is not hers. So I was excited about Lasso because it felt like an extension of Chemtrails. Now, I don't know what he's really going to be. I only know one thing: saying that it will be bad because it resembles Chemtrails is untrue.
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    If you have a difficult time choosing people to nominate, I'm going to make it easier for you by endorsing some of the members here who in my opinion deserve a nomination here (and yes, I'm going to put more than 5 here): Most Active: @Dark Angel @Lana Del Dufrene @BethDufreneOnTheBayouByYou @bluechemtrails @Beautiful Loser @venice biotch @honeymoon is alive @The Sun Also Rises Why? Because they're always here to make great posts and updates and I'm glad to see them here every day! Best Status Updater: @Mer @Dark Angel @venice biotch @laurita @Elle @Cult Leader @The Sun Also Rises @annedauphine @jimmyjimmycocoapuff @ultrabanisters @motel six Why? Because they share their interesting thoughts about Lana, music or life! Just great to read in general! Best Taste: @Pico Ocean Boulevard @Dark Angel @The Sun Also Rises @Come With Me @The Stargirl Pinky @audreysdance @laurita @Veinsineon Why? Because they're the fans of one of the best Lana songs and albums, also many great musicians! (and perhaps it's my bias because their tastes are very similar to mine) Nicest Member: @laurita @The Sun Also Rises @audreysdance @shadesofblue @Rock Candy @Pico Ocean Boulevard @never2heaven @daphnedinkley @venice biotch @mssainttropez @Cult Leader @Dark Angel @Black to Blue @fishtails @Bonita @taco truck @honeymoon is alive @Elle @motel six @Beautiful Loser Why? Because they're amazing people who lit the forum up with their heartfelt kindness and sweetness when we need the most! Hybrid Fan: @Cherry Blossom @Rorman Nockwell @DeadSeaOfMercury @Veinsineon @Lana Del Dufrene @ultrabanisters @Ultra Violet @The Sun Also Rises Why? Their stan catalogue consists many amazing musicians and also have kept the threads of different musicians here alive! Best Username: @Make me your Dream Life @BethDufreneOnTheBayouByYou @Fuck Our Generation @Stoned Mary in the Garden @Thats why they call me Dita @box of broken laces Why? There's something about long usernames that is so iconic and memorable. Also some of the names have some of the coolest Lana's lines! Best Profile Photo: @The Sun Also Rises @Rock Candy @Cult Leader @ionut @prettywhenimhigh Why? Because their profile photos are so aesthetically pleasing, one of the most beautiful gifs (or edits) of Lana! Best Signature: @Make me your Dream Life @Thats why they call me Dita @Pico Ocean Boulevard @motel six @SalvaWHORE @taco truck Why? Their signatures have aesthetically pleasing gifs/photos/quotes as well that compliment their profile! Underrated Member: @Pico Ocean Boulevard @Ultra Violet @Deadly Nightshade @jimmyjimmycocoapuff @americangothic @boom like that @prettywhenimhigh @never2heaven @Candy Necklace @stupidapartmentcomplex @Bonita @Escapism Why? They have been delivering some of the best thoughts and posts in this forum that needs more attention!!! Best New Member: @venice biotch @laurita @audreysdance @motel six @ldrzodiac @Waimea Bay @Tartoes Why? They're the future legends who have been carrying LanaBoards with their great content even though most of them have been here for less than a year! Veteran Member: PLEASE NOMINATE @Lum THEY HAVE BEEN ON LANABOARDS SINCE ITS BEGINNING, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2012 Also, please nominate @PARADIXO @Veinsineon @Dark Angel @Coney Island King @Beautiful Loser @Make me your Dream Life @Elle @pin up galore Why? Because they have become the legends of this forum who have carried this forum for a very long time! Biggest Stan: @Elle @Dark Angel @HeadBitch @blackenedrussianpoetry Why? Their knowledge about Lana is impressive and I have learned about Lana a lot through them! Peace Keeper: Elle & the Mods Why? Because without them, LanaBoards would be in shambles! Also please nominate @ivory almond for Best Bartender (their posts have had really great humor!) and Best Audio Artist, also @Lana Del Dufrene for Best Audio Artist and @kallumlavigne @Come With Me for Best Artist! They're so talented in their art! And also nominate @mssainttropez for Be My Daddy Award, even Marina Diamandis reposted her photo on Instagram Stories!!! @Liz Taylor Blues @Make me your Dream Life @Nectar Of The Puss for Best Blogger for making good blog content! Thread Of The Year: LDR As A Rat Why? It has every reason to win this award: great humor, creativity and fun! Lipster Of The Year: @Mer @Dark Angel @HeadBitch @Elle @Veinsineon @DeadSeaOfMercury @venice biotch @Make me your Dream Life @ultrabanisters Why? Because they have kept this forum alive with their iconic posts, witty thoughts and just great content throughout the year!
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    i'm so touched there's anyone remembers me my vote is coming soon x
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    CAUSE I REALLY NEED YOU NEAR ME... CAN YOU HEAR ME... CAN YOU HEAR ME AHHH
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    It is just unnecessary at this point in her career, she would be better off releasing an album of all brand new material. Although I wouldn’t hate it if it ever did happen
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