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18 likeshello my dearest bookworms welcome to the revival of the LanaBoards book club say it with me: ✨🙏this time we will make it 🙏✨ as you might know, the previous book club has failed and was cancelled without any notice, so I am your new book club hostess Do you want to expand your horizons, tap into your imagination and learn about life? Are you worried about the rising trend in worldwide illiteracy and ask yourself "what can I do to fix it"? Are you tired of being a circuit queen instead of a highly sophisticated and well-educated homosexual? Do you feel dumb for not getting any of Lana's literary references? Is "reading more" on your New Year resolution every year, but you never get around to do it? YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE. As you might remember, the first book picked for the previous book club was Lolita, but that never happened. Now, if this succeeds, we will keep picking the works together in the future, BUT since this is the first reading round, we can get straight to work. That way we can all see how this will function, how much time we will need, and what will the discussion look like. That's why the first work that I picked is very short so we can test things out. And then later we can move onto bigger stuff like novels etc. Our first work is... BURNT NORTON BY T.S. ELIOT "Burnt Norton" is the first out of four poems from T.S. Eliot's 1943 Four Quartets. Considered one of the 20th century's major poets, T.S. Eliot is a central figure in English-language Modernist poetry. He had the honor of his "Burnt Norton" being featured on Lana's album Honeymoon as an interlude. Lana only sampled the intro to the poem, but it is actually a bit longer. The entirety of Four Quartets is available in PDF here: http://www.lettersjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/fourquartets.pdf (please don't ban me for piracy, miss Eliot is dead he's not getting any coin anyways) WHAT DO WE READ? We only read the Burnt Norton for now (fell free to read to read other poems too if you want I'm not gonna stop you); and as you can see, it's only 5 pages. WHEN DO WE READ IT? Literally right now. Open the PDF and read it, it takes like 3 minutes. WHAT IS YOUR CONTRIBUTION? As soon as you're done reading the poem, share your opinions, thoughts, views, questions, ideas, analysis, respond to other people's posts, anything! In order to help you out, I came up with some questions that can get the discussion going: BURNT NORTON DISCUSSION QUESTIONS Why do you think Lana sampled Burnt Norton on Honeymoon? Is the poem's theme, message or lyrical style in anyway related to Honeymoon or Lana's art, lyricism and poetry in general? Did you like the poem; why or why not? Do you like the language and the writing style? Do you find the poem to be complex? In order to simplify it, what is the poem's central topic or message to your understanding? The poem dates back to 1943, being almost 80 years old. Why could it be relevant to the modern day-reader? Did you see any ideas that are applicable to the modern world? Is there any part that touched you, any part that is your favorite? You can copy the quote and discuss it. Take a look at the poem's opening lines (Time present and time past / Are both perhaps present in time future, / And time future contained in time past), and the closing lines are (Ridiculous the waste sad time / Stretching before and after). How do you interpret this? Is there any connection? Do you think the opening and the ending summarize the poem's central idea? What images came to your mind as you were reading the poem? Of course you don't have to answer those, we're not in school💀, but you can if you don't have any ideas what to write about; like I sad - share with us anything you want! Let's have fun! ❤️ also if this thread flops, my account was hacked
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18 likesi mean negative opinions are fine and sometimes entertaining, it’s nice to see a difference in opinions. but ppl hating on the syml track already rubs me the wrong way. it feels like y’all will INSTANTLY hate anything with piano in it. that track sounded so peaceful, wistful, and nostalgic, like walking around paris on a rainy day. it was also fast paced unlike the piano on cocc/bb, so it’s something new. but as long as lana isn’t using instrumentals similar to the ones on btd/uv/hm, someone will always be hating and calling her new music boring.
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18 likesWhy would she even mention Lana's sobriety in a podcast interview or anywhere really. Like if she knows Lana well enough she knows that's really personal.
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17 likesI think there's a very fine line between critique and misogyny that some people tend to tread quite frequently in their discussion on Lana Anyways, outside of what we've been given from Lana herself and the little hints from insiders (allegedly lol), we don't know a whole lot about the album's sound other than the title track and the Fingertips snippet. We still don't even have a tracklist. Expect for the singular song we have, which you can not like, I don't see what else there is to not like in terms of sound yet because we barely have one
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17 likeslana herself is approaching being a middle aged woman. if you expect her to make super fast paced music about being needy and helplessly in love and staying in toxic relationships, you’re going to be disappointed. she’s naturally more wise, mature, reflective now, and she’s still making beautiful poetry and music. think about classic rock bands; did they make 10 completely different and innovative albums? no, most of them had like 2 or 3 good albums at best. so why are female artists like lana constantly expected to churn out insane new albums and edgy eras, but someone like ed sheeran is still making the same music and hasn’t changed his appearance since he debuted? female artists have to change genres every album and dye their hair or some shit to keep people engaged with their music. it’s complete BS.
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15 likesWho cares if some of her songs sound similar to other songs... we all know she out-served them anyway
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14 likesThe leaked mixes of JFK, Tonight and Hollywood were done with demos of Young and Beautiful, American and Body Electric by July 2012 so can be considered as from the Paradise sessions. Hollywood was then further worked on in 2013 and so you could argue its an Ultraviolence scrap too. Not sure what date Starry Eyed is.
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14 likesum…. Did Ben listen to the full thing?
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13 likesi think we should just let women live and not worry about whether or not they're "boring" because women shouldn't be obligated to be groundbreaking, edgy, or exciting our society is okay with men being whoever they want to be no matter how "bland" or "basic" they may be (which isn't really a bad thing to be honest) but women are held to such a higher standard... i know this is getting off-topic, but it's still an important thing to be said, so...
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12 likesWell, Ben thinks we are responsible for leaking her songs, which I disagree on. Most of us don’t have access to any (unleaked, kept stored in someone’s hard drive) leaked materials and wouldn’t call ourselves insiders, we just share anything we find, which could be on youtube even. Edit: here’s a thread to further discuss this topic.
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11 likesY’all act like she used to do 24/7 fast paced pop songs… She’s doing the "moody" music since Ultraviolence, and I love that. She just needs to bring back her little twists and turns…. aka Rick Nowels. 3-4 faster songs per album would be perfect. Ocean Blvd sounds so far pretty promising to me. She worked with multiple people on it & took enough time to make it perfect. The title track combined "classic" & "new" Lana.
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11 likesIt makes so much sense that Hollywood was reworked in 2013 since she told us the leaked version isn’t the right production. The way she said she wanted to release the final Hollywood, and then never did.
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11 likesNot to start another Jack hate narrative but he always uses the most basic chord progressions it's only natural that there are a hundred similar songs out there with a similar guitar work No one could replicate Rick's guitar on Yosemite for example (only themselves on Dragon Slayer )
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10 likesthe same chord progression is used in this part but that’s why i never got the comparison because the rest of get free is SO different, i mean one song is rock the other is like dream pop/folk. the overall instrumental and melody just sound completely different, i never understood why she got sued for it. yes the chord progression/“weirdo” & “manifesto” melody in the chorus is the same but that’s literally it…i’ve listened to both songs so many times and just never heard what people were talking about. creep is such an iconic popular song, it’s natural for music that comes after it to sound a bit similar
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10 likesI still can’t believe we’ll get a new album in two months. after her COCC interview with Annie Mac, after QFTC, I was sure she needed a break after COCC (and she wouldn’t have been wrong - she seemed so drained, so exhausted in that interview, so misunderstood). But she doubled down with BB and DYKTTATUOB. We are blessed with this woman.
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10 likesIt's more than likely that JFK, Hollywood, Starry Eyed, and I Don't Wanna Go were for Paradise. Though Angels Forever and Black Beauty (Demo) were the early beginning of a more pop rock feeling album, I'd say. When they leaked, she felt disoriented and decided to go even darker, rawer. I do believe if they had not leaked then we would see an album more in the tone of Paradise, but still with a rock-ish feel.
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