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Just like "«Tropico» discussion thread", I wanted to create a separate thread for a discussion and systematization of Lana's fifth studio album's sessions, that would later become "Lust for Life". Here's a timeline of sessions' development based on facts we know of (if I'm wrong anywhere let me know): This all gives us an approximate timeline of tracklist's changes: 1. After a political climate change; 2. After the leak of "Best American Record"; 3. After Lana axed 3 tracks, making from 18 tracks 15 tracks, to which "Change" will later be added as 16th track. And here are all sessions from June 2015 - June 2017 that we know of so far: 1. "Serene Queen" (the song was made in one day, is a rough demo that was made on earliest "Lust for Life" sessions and was never come back to again); 2. "Best American Record"; 3. "Yosemite"; 4. "Sugary Sweet" (acapella 30-seconds idea; snippet leaked); 5. "Cry Kill Die" (snippet leaked); 6. "Roses Bloom for You" (originally planned to be an "intro" to the album; most likely, the one-minute audio that Lana shared via Instagram is the entire track); 7. "Everything I Do" (snippet leaked); 8. "Poetry in Motion" (snippet leaked); 9. Unknown Song (snippet: "When you call..."); 10. "Say Yes to Heaven" ("Honeymoon" Version; this version firstly was in consideration for a fifth studio album, but later was reworked); 11. "Say Yes to Heaven" (Fred Gibson 2016 Version); 12. "Fine China" (2016 Version); 13. "Silverlake"; 14. "LA Who Am I to Love You"; 15. "Malibu"; 16-19. 4 political outtakes (Lana shared in an interview); 20-22. 4 songs sent to A$AP Rocky for a collaboration (one of them was "Groupie Love"); 23-24. 4 unknown songs "left on the cutting room floor" (2 of the songs are presumably "Yosemite" and "Best American Record"); 25-... Other "amazing outtakes from 2016"; songs, meant to be on a follow-up album, that consisted out of outtakes from "Lust for Life" sessions. Alleged tracks: 1. "California" (A "Honeymoon" outtake, insider reported that Lana loved the song and, allegedly, tried to release it on further albums, tried to even make it a single, but this wasn't confirmed); 2. "Wild One" (In 2015, Justin Parker made minimal changes to the original 2012 track "Mike," renamed it "Wild One" and registered with the original version of "Beautiful People Beautiful Problems." But this was done, supposedly, without any purpose, so the track is not an outtake from either "Honeymoon" or "Lust for Life". However, "Beautiful People Beautiful Problems" was later released on "Lust for Life");

I find the timeline between HM and LFL even more interesting than the post BTD stuff (probably cause we already know almost everything about it at this point) so I'll do a little summary about what I remember and think about it. I love an essay sorry The LFL demo (and some other songs + outtakes), the Neil photoshoot and the album trailer all pointed to a dark and witchy aesthetic and sound. But then the Rich MVs and some details of the songs (like 13 Beaches) had those futuristic and space-y/glitchy tones too, which in my opinion could happily coexist and match (the moon being like the nexus for example) What I also find weird is that she teased the album collabs on the trailer so that aspect of the record was integrated into the original aesthetic, even though the collabs are the songs that are further from the original dark tone Then there's the political outtakes and the girl group tracks which weren't scrapped entirely since there's some elements of that on the final album. What's clear is that she had a pretty sudden artistic switch towards the end of the album process cause Coachella and specially Change were in my opinion the songs that marked the transition between pre and post NFR Lana in terms of writing... at that point she didn't have any track as straightforward and with that lyrical style. LFL is truly THE transition album, not only in terms of sound/lyrics but also for her creative process. She had a lot of style and concept switches at the time but instead of scrapping the whole thing (like she did with the post BTD/Tropico/early UV tracks) she kept adding and doing little changes and I feel that's how she works now. Instead of having a clear concept as a whole she just writes and then tries to put together an album that makes sense in a way with what she has. Chemtrails was a bit of an exception cause it's really cohesive but it started as a collection of simpler songs she knew she wanted to use in the future but didn't match at all the Norman sound so yeah she still has a somewhat clear direction in that aspect but it's not as conceptualized as it used to be (which is not a bad thing tho, all the past 3/4 albums are still great and contain some of her absolute best tracks).

“groupie love was actually going to be released with its 279th mix!”

LFL is one interesting era indeed. I wouldn’t change the album at all, as « imperfect » as it is (I don’t mind the different genres of it, but some songs could have benefited a bit more polishing with the trap beats, like Coachella and In My Feelings; they kinda clash with the tracks that have very pristine production), it reflected the state of the US in 2017 and my personal state of mind. I love how the outtakes bring us closer to the witchy, folky, spacey Lana that I love so much. And as much as I love that initial concept, I’m not so sure we would have loved LFL as much as we say we would; I think a lot of people would have called it « Honeymoon snore fest 2.0 » (yes, this is how HM was perceived back then). anyways, I want Cry Kill Die!

So now we are missing following Say Yes To Heaven versions: Rick Nowels OG Version Final Honeymoon Version (by Rick) KOZ Version (for Hugo Boss) Tom Neville Version (for Hugo Boss) Fred Version (for Lust For Life) Including the released version, James Ford Version & the Stint Version, Say Yes To Heaven has 8 different versions

forever feels like such a strange song to listen to now like girl you’re lying this whole damn song? you didn’t love him forever?

Fingertips being her best song ever, yup

GET WHAT I WANT I JUST SAY THE WORD SHOPPING SPREES IN FRANCE AND THEN WE GOT TO SWERVE GET WHAT I WANT CAUSE I'M A BARBIE GORL

I'm hoping they repress the picture discs. i've wanted them for a long time now

This album is so interesting because it was really the first time she strayed away from her normal album formula (14-15 tracks all within a similar style with no features and usually including a cover). She tried so many different styles and added features, so I would love to know what this albums tracklist looked like during early sessions

Speed Drive better get a fucking promoted single release with a Barbie themed music video like all these other bitches

Ajayll reaction coming next week

The "bombastic" outtakes he's referring to are not the Shangri-Las style outtakes (those are for LFL, Lana was originally super inspired by the Shangri-Las and their harmonies and wanted the album to have sort of a retro girl group sound - with the political climate shift she felt she had to change a lot of the songs up but that was a big part of her original intention for the record)

the lore for this album is so interesting… anyways LEAK THOSE OUTTAKES

Someone make Spring Breakers materialize for me in at *least* 160k before my birthday in 3 weeks please and thank you.

@kilosdlrey You do not need to explain yourself or feel bad for buying 4. All Yall did not need to pile on this poor girl like that

in the sweeeet iron deficiency

maybe not her best song ever but it IS a career highlight thats for sure

rick alone has like 90+ mixes of this song and they are all fucking ugly and the same. we want the other producers versions!

Lately I had a theory, that between August 2015-March 2016, Lana wanted to do a deluxe or some kind of a special version (similar to Paradise) for Honeymoon. I know that Honeymoon was a vanity project but that kind of explains why she was making random songs during Summer/Autumn 2015 like Serene Queen or Cry Kill Die. She wanted to do a special version for Ultraviolence too and it later was formed as Honeymoon. I think Lust For Life album we know as today was formed after the end of her Festival Tour in August 2016/September 2016. Because I remember something that she recorded LFL with Abel in September 2016 (because he had a new haircut or something + they had recorded Stargirl and Party Monster in 2016 too).

I really like Judah Interlude the instrumentals are crazy and it matches A&W and Candy Necklace atmosphere. This is the real Patty and Sean dissctrack on this record but I feel like y'all sleep on it. Why are you so infatuated with me? Gives me damn chills every damn time, her distanced laughter, the gloomy sounds..it is very haunting.

Still crying to Kintsugi 🤘🏻

order now just to be safe! you can always cancel if it comes back in stock on the US store

i just watched the void mv.. yikes. the more cgi she uses the uglier her videos get.. i miss when she was poor and had to use paper funiture for her music videos, they looked 1000 times better back then

Why do people think she is going to change the set list? She is doing a festival tour and people don’t change the set list after two shows

If you really want it, get it.. I started collecting and now just 4 records away from being a collection I see as being complete to the lesser standard.. before I start differentiating between first press, second press and the pic disk singles so I got a whole load of vinyl collecting dust too because I also don’t own a record player because I want a good one to play these records on.. and a good record player is too pricey right now

These are from March 19th, 2016. I believe she was recording Malibu/Get Free there because then a week ago, she was in Malibu. Although maybe she was recording Love because she met Emile Haynie few days before that.

I still can’t comprehend how she could change the Lust For Life demo so much, it was so beautiful.

Excellent.. I have 93 days to prepare for my final boss battle with the add to cart button and checkout page on September 18

I've beeeeen waiting for this discussion I'd really love to know more about the album trailer itself. We got the witchy and retrofuturism aesthetics, with some hints of a political theme. I just don't think that the album itself really corresponded to what was hinted at in the trailer. Anyone got any further information on it?

Kintsugi and Fingertips haters make me even madder when you take into account that these two songs are very personal, transparent and honest. During COCC she made a video talking about how she wasn't going to let people tell her story for her, that the popular narratives were fictitious, and the real story was more beautiful than what they say. Fingertips is the result of this. Talking about it all: her siblings, being sent away, resenting her mother, wanting a child, suicide, death/loss of a partner.....I mean, she covered so many bases. As a long time fan I'm very moved by it. Like, sure a lot of this stuff we've known or has been inferred....but it's different when she actually sings about it It's storytelling, it's songwriting, it's poetry. Those just here for "bops" and "cinematic production" or whatever it is they're not getting....you're just not gonna appreciate or understand the true magnificence of the songs if you don't genuinely love Lana's writing and story. I love hearing her sing about this shit, it feels really personal and touching and I feel every word, it's truly music for the soul. Idk how some people cant see how BIG these two songs are for her. They're so important. But thats just me

I just can't picture Fine China on LFL. Like, even in the witchy version, I have no idea on how that could be. It's an absolutely different vibe. Anyway, prove me wrong and leak it

Sky Ferreira really downgrading all her old finished songs so she can come back from the worst artist hiatus of the century...

@111 can this months exclusive be something about this please??

When Coachella was released, I loved it so much (I still love it, one of my favorites, I'm probably the only fan of the song) and the whole time I listened to the song, there were like hate comments everywhere. I do find the song kind of "unusual" but it doesn't mean it's bad. I'd like to add some strings to the song though

Yeah I agree, I think if it had the "alleged" slow sound like the LFL demo and such, it would've had lukewarm reception like COTCC had (although I adore COTCC and it didn't deserve the hate) from the fans and GP. (Although when LFL album was released its reception was great from fans and GP until it started receiving hate from fans in 2018?) My unpopular opinion is that the Lust For Life album we have, is flawless and perfect but that's of course matter of taste and choices. Without the so-called changes and the final product of the current Lust For Life, we definitely wouldn't have NFR and all the albums what followed it.

Radiohead is all about social anxiety, being unable to find peace and lasting human connections. Lana tells the story of her doomed romances and decay of the American dream. Although they sound different, they both share the same sadness / melancholy throughout.

Maybe it's still online in the US store end of this month... I got a lot of parcels today 😅❤️ The hoodie Was sold out in M at her German store, so I got it in S now and it fits perfectly. I took measures if someone needs them for S (cm).

hoping for a more information about silverlake the most lfl to the core title, such glimmering and cold feelings from it

absolutely, the shift after november 2016 was so obvious and tracks made in 2017 are very different for lust for life as much as for her style overall, i was thinking that there was no OG album and that her creative process just kept updating, but the change in sound is too obvious and her 2017 songs are almost from the same aesthetics and couldve been easily existed as a part of another separate project, its very interesting lana didnt divide and mixed original songs with 2017 songs, and i agree the latest made songs are a step towards something something new! also what are these girl group tracks? did u mean The Shangri-Las?

Lanz said on bbc radio 1 july 12 2017- her tracklisting changed so much around april

Also, people tend to forget that the version of TNBAR that was in NFR was already intended to be on the final version of LFL because in an interview in 2017, Lana said that TNBAR is about Topanga and such.

Also, I know it's some kind of a sensitive topic she touched in Fingertips and The Grants but

valley of the dolls was later revealed to be from the last shadow puppets sessions with Zach Dawes as a producer

Valley Of The Dolls as well

🥹thank you. I needed to hear this.

I keep thinking about that Israeli record webstore... Dates to look forward to: July 21st for LFL August 30th for NFR September 18th for HM

republic release a promo single to keep the pre order hype challenge i swear i can't deal with more alone remixes anymore

🥱🥱🥱 Queen just wanted to share with the fans what others didn't want to Also queen has a life outside of music, leaks and internet forums, unlike some people in here Anyways, how y'all doing angels ? Are you excited for Speed Drive? Tell me what's your fav Charli car related song

Every producer passing around Say Yes To Heaven