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Here, we discuss about the writing/recording sessions, production, lyrics, collaborators, outtakes, visuals, themes and the behind of scenes of making of albums "Norman Fucking Rockwell!" and "Chemtrails Over The Country Club". Already starting in 2017, Lana's creative process began to take a slightly different direction, completely changing with the meeting of Jack Antonoff - one of the main producers of the next five years, and now we will try to tell you how Lana's creative process went with the new producer. A complete sound change in early 2018 is preceded by a six-month period in Lana's work, during which she had a writer's block and had few new ideas coming to her until late 2017, and because of that her creative journey had several paths to follow: 1. The release of a follow-up album to "Lust for Life, which was to include an original version of the song "Best American Record", "Silverlake" and other "Lust for Life" outtakes. Those plans were canceled after a Jack Antonoff meeting in very early 2018; 2. To continue working on the sixth album (which would later become "Norman Fucking Rockwell!") with Rick Nowels. So, during this period several songs were made: "Bartender" (which would later become part of the sixth album) and unknown sessions through the end of 2017, during which a number of unknown tracks were made, one of them - "Get Dark", that was recorded in September 2017. But in January 2018, Lana contacted Jack, and he suggested we "meet, sit down, and just start doing something." Before meeting him, Lana expected him to have some ready-made beat ideas she could use, for Jack's production history is mostly pop-oriented, but Lana would later reveal, ". he spent hours playing chords, and he plays the piano so well that some of the things that he writes, like just melodically, really - it's kind of a classic - and in my case it ended up being more folk-oriented.", "...and in the first week I had two songs that I thought were probably the two best songs that I'd ever written." Here she's probably referring to "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" and "Love Song," which were ready the day Lana and Jack first met (January 29, 2018) *Lana told Vogue Korea in an interview that the process of writing "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" took her 3 years*. For the next year and a half, Lana continued to work on the music exclusively with Jack, describing their process as "(Jack) played me five chords in a row, which ended up becoming a new song each time". Unfortunately, we are almost unaware of the timeline of Lana's creative process on her sixth album, "Norman Fucking Rockwell!", except for the dates of work on the released tracks, which are presented below: - "Venice bitch" (the first version was done in February 2018 [the same version used at the end of the track "Taco Truck x VB"]; the final version was done on June 26, 2018); - "Norman fucking Rockwell" (the track was reworked from the "Bird World" song, which was made January 29, 2018; final version made June 27, 2018); - "Happiness is a butterfly" (originally titled "Happiness"; first version was made in March 2018; final version made June 30, 2018); - "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" (originally called "Sylvia" and "Sylvia Plath"; first version made January 29, 2018; final version made August 4, 2018); - "Love Song" (first version made January 29, 2018; final version made August 6, 2018); - "Mariners apartment complex" (originally titled "I'm Your Man"; first version made February 2018; final version made August 31, 2018); - "Cinnamon Girl" (originally titled "Cinnamon"; first version made October 2018; final version made December 18, 2018); - "California" (track is a reworking of a song from 2017; final version made January 18, 2019); - "How to disappear" (first version made in October 2018; final version made January 20, 2019); - "The greatest" (first version made in 2018/2019; final version made February 13, 2019); Undisclosed dates: - "Bartender" (the track was made in 2017 with Rick Nowles; for the first time, Lana revealed the track's existence on January 28, 2018, and said it "does not yet belong on an upcoming record"; the track played on Lana's sister Chuck Grant [Chuck Grant]'s Instagram Stories on May 10, 2018); - "The Next Best American Record" (a reworked version of the track "Best American Record"; it is unknown when Lana reworked the track and when it became part of her sixth album); RMF Classic Radio on November 3, 2018 once again confirmed what Lana had said on September 18, 2018, that the album was to be released in late March and that there would be 11 tracks on it (which ones are unknown). Also, in December 2018, MTV UK reported that the album would be released on March 29, 2019, and in December, Lana reported that the album was completely finished and also liked an article stating a March release date for the album. Up to March 29th, various information from different sources kept coming in, either denying or confirming the album's release in March. But when March 29th came, the album was not released for unknown reasons. Over the next 5 months, Lana makes two new songs for the record (Doin' Time [April 2019] and Fuck it I love you [July 2019]), and the world premiere of Lana's sixth studio album Norman Fucking Rockwell! took place on August 30, 2019, and songs made during sessions for the album but not included are: - "Not All Who Wonder Are Lost" (originally titled "Wanderlust"; the track was made during the sessions for "Norman Fucking Rockwell!" but the original version was released on the next album, "Chemtrails Over the Country Club"); - "Valley of the Dolls" (concept demo, was made February 14, 2017 during sessions with The Last Shadow Puppets; later sent as a track idea along with some other unknown tracks for revision to Jack Antonoff; the track was never revised by him); - "LA Who Am I" (snippet; the track was likely made just for fun, and is a reworked version of the track "LA Who Am I to Love You" from 2016); - "Talking like an Answering Machine" (the song was first listed on Buma/Sterma and there were rumors that the song was not made until 2018; the chances that the song is real and refers to Lana are higher than that the song is unreal); - "Bombastic" Outtakes (told by Jack Antonoff during an interview that tracks with an "explosive" sound were made during the sessions for the album that remain unleaked); - Rick Nowels Outtakes (it was revealed that there are songs made by Rick Nowels for the sixth studio album that remain unleaked). - "Jimmy" part from "A&W" (In an interview for Rolling Stones, Jack Antonoff talked about the process of making "Jimmy" and "that they had created a while back" suggesting that it was made during the NFR sessions). Thank you for the information @lanaismamom

In the cock, in the cock, in the cockpit i'm your pilot

except lust for life is not as bad as people are making it out to be whereas love + fear is worse than people are saying it is

we want rick songs from nfr sessions

So there was this fan by the name of Nikki Lane who

And when the album was released, we found out that Chuck's random Insta story from Summer 2018 was playing Bartender 😭

Spill more if you believe in women's rights and you're against Roe V. Wade @Unknown

Not really 😭 other than the fact that Rick Rubin produced a rock version of Body Electric while he was working on Ride

I'm not sure if this thread is necessarily productive. The title is not very nice and all of these questions can be asked/answered in other threads. Closing this thread now.

I've always seen Chemtrails as an extension of NFR, like its own "Paradise Edition", mainly because it uses tracks that were started during NFR sessions.

Violet Sings The Blues ?

Honeymoon sessions September 2014 - December 2014 California Crazy For You Honeymoon Freak Soft Ice Cream (Salvatore) 24 Hours Swan Song Blackest Day Pink Flamingos (Music To Watch Boys To) Dark City Dead To Me I Can Fly (rework of original 2013 demo) 2015 songs (completed by June 2015) High By The Beach Terrence Loves You Cry Kill Die Come With Me Paradise If I Die Young Religion Art Deco God Knows I Tried Other Info Big Eyes demo is from August 2014 Terrence Loves You had 2 alternate titles, "Jazz N Blues" and "Violet Sings The Blues"

every picture on the album shoot working better as an album cover than the one they chose

she has so many songs in every album sessions to that way that we should get two albums per year

Also, in my head, it makes sense that How to Disappear and Wild at Heart were done around the same time when Jack was producing the instrumental, which is why both are written for Joe, so I don't think that WAH necessarily samples HTD, but it's just that she created two songs with the same instrumental at the same time. But idk, I don't know or have the recording times

I still remember the days we only knew the title of "Bartender". Those were the days.

Oh wow oh wow.. The Lana iceberg truly runs down to the core of the earth

sorry but the title of this thread and the 3rd LFL thread being right under this is sending me

Let The Light In & Buddy's Rendezvous

FATHER JOHN MISTY JUST ANOUNCED HE GOING TO PERFORM WITH LANA

The coziness of NFR/Chem From the beach to the cabin retreat

i'm honestly living for these timeline/creative process threads it's so interesting finding out more about how all of these albums came to be

When I was a lurker during pre NFR, I thought these were real

I wonder what the og concept was when she was working with rick like from the snippets we have, poetry in motion, get dark and la who am i

Just remembered how gaggy the great Ultraviolence mass leak was, hoping we get some stuff for her birthday this year

Can anyone explain to me why King Of Hearts isn't available to stream anywhere yet even though she performed it on live TV days ago? Imagine getting the opportunity to perform your new single on a huge show that had around 1.7 million viewers in Germany alone that night, and then the people who liked it and wanna listen to that song again afterwards... simply can't? Like, what the fuck is the strategy here?

So happy for u guys

yes, yes we do

Love Song (Darla's Version) (From The Vault) (10 Minutes Version) when?

There could be more but these are the only ones I know of: Honeymoon: Freak, Blackest Day, Say Yes To Heaven, God Knows I Tried, I Can Fly Ultraviolence: West Coast (demo/radio mix), Fine China, Your Girl

Him saying it so casually when it was probably meant to be a surprise 😭

Imagine she had called Yosemite as "We Did It for Fun - We Did It For Free"

I think that the last song (or one of the last) recorded for COTCC was Dark But Just A Game, because she said in an interview for MOJO (in 2021) that the Oscars 2020 Afterparty inspired her to write that song: "A year or so ago, Del Rey attended a party with Jack Antonoff and St. Vincent at the house of Guy Oseary, manager of Madonna and U2. “Something happened,” she says, “kind of a situation like – never meet your idols. And I just thought, ‘I think it’s interesting that the best musicians end up in such terrible places.’ I thought to myself, ‘I’m going to try my best not to change because I love who I am.’ I said, ‘Jack, it’s dark.’ And he said, ‘Well, it’s dark – but I mean, it’s just a game.’” The incident inspires a song on Chemtrails - Dark But Just A Game" Although we know that the song samples Bird World too, but I still think it's the last song recorded for the album because the afterparty was on Feb 9th, 2020 and quite soon after that quarantine happened. If I'm not wrong, other COTCC songs (except Yosemite, which was recorded in 2016-2017) were recorded during the NFR Tour (like the Nikki and Zella, Weyes collabs and Dance Till We Die, White Dress?) and other songs were recorded during the NFR sessions or after the release of NFR (Not All Who Wander, COTCC, Wild At Heart, Tulsa Jesus Freak, Let Me Love You). She could've changed the songs during the quarantine and after the Sean breakup, who knows.

patiently waiting for the t*ts vinyl to be shipped

birthday cake in august but you were born 19th of june

I believe in Wanderlust being from NFR but it's so weird to me that NAWAL it's the same exact song from those sessions cause its nothing like NFR (lyrically and sonically). I guess it's one of the quiet songs they did but she wanted to include it in NFR at first instead of Chemtrails for some reason Also is it confirmed that the VB in Taco Truck is the real early beat driven demo? Cause I expected an early upbeat version of VB to be more surf-y (kinda like the final but more lively)but not trap but to be fair maybe they were just having fun in the studio and that's why it ended up being just a demo

i cant believe i didnt know she said that about my beloved baby this is what makes us girls im glad emile did what he did to btd imo it wouldnt be as successful without his touch

unless white hot forever is just another spin me round kiss me in your chevolet

Also remember when we had all the snippets and had names for them like In Your Car and In My Arms They did and original title is WANDERLUST

anyways i love listening to iconic debut album, night time my time

Violet Sings The Blues I felt something reading that... WHYYY was it changed

Well fuck me and call me Pierogi I can’t believe it I’ve been wrong all these years

Imagine she does Freak as well A girl can dream

let the light in

when it comes out that there was actually a whole scrapped album of unleaked songs in between nfr and cotcc called "wanderlust" recorded during quarantine then what

Posting this since they do end up being right sometimes. I wonder what other soundtrack she could be working on if it’s not this one.

@Unknown Do you know anything about Loved You Then and Now?

You should also add that the Jimmy part (from A&W) is from early NFR sessions. There's a second source for it where Jack talks about not opening his emails for months, but I somehow can't find it. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lana-del-rey-collaborations-jack-antonoff-ocean-blvd-1234705643 Then, in the spirit of one-upping each other, Antonoff suggested that they finally find a home for a twisted, trap-beat freak-out, called “Jimmy,” that they had created a while back. He sewed the two parts together with some modular synths and synthetic drums, to his engineer Laura Sisk’s absolute delight: “I remember Laura clenched her fists and was really excited about it and said ‘Jimmy’s gonna live.’”

The way she & Rick created such an amazing body of work, a literal masterpiece with perfect production in such a short amount of time is insane Omg and thank you so much for doing this timeline